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Post by Britney on Aug 2, 2006 20:56:04 GMT -5
What are your views on downloading this stuff on the internet? Do you support it, or do you think it is wrong? This is a very controversial area these days, and I expect people here will be on both sides of the line.
My own opinion: I support the free distribution of ideas and knowledge. It seems to me that this is what civilization has been advancing towards for thousands of years, with the advent of language, painting, writing, the printing press, the radio, television, internet, etc. While some information may have detrimental uses (knowledge of how to build a nuclear bomb, for instance), I think that knowledge of even the potentially destructive can serve an ultimately productive purpose if we as a species can learn how to handle all information responsibly.
Regardless of my stance, I think that the free exchange of any and every idea is becoming more of a reality every day, and thus warrants some serious attention/discussion, here and in society at large, if there is to be some hope that we may put all new ideas to productive use (or in other words... if we are to survive).
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 2, 2006 21:00:00 GMT -5
I think its great being able to download music. I mean, its not really harming the artists alot, so why is it a big deal?
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Post by Muad'dib on Aug 2, 2006 21:21:59 GMT -5
I used to download a lot, I don't really any more because i've got too little space, trying to free up some not clutter it up more.
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Post by Vinya on Aug 2, 2006 21:24:05 GMT -5
I honestly don't care.....I don't feel like the celebs are missing out on any revenue, and as for musicians....my opinion is that you should make music because you love to make music, not because you love to make money.
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Post by eek on Aug 2, 2006 21:27:41 GMT -5
I download stuff fairly often, although I have to admit it's old stuff that I can't buy on DVD locally. I'm not too bothered about what folk choose to share and how much of it. As long as I get my old TV shows, I'm happy.
As for music? I don't tend to download that so much as borrow CDs from friends, but the same applies there.
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Aug 3, 2006 0:29:06 GMT -5
The more prevalent it becomes, the less incentive and viability there is to make music your career. Still, sometimes things are a bit pricy.
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Post by iGuess on Aug 3, 2006 1:01:33 GMT -5
I think that if you limewire an indie artist, you had better eventually buy the CD, and not like 5 years later, in about a year. There are a lot of musicians who do really need their money. Movies? Go ahead.
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Post by lucia on Aug 3, 2006 2:20:52 GMT -5
Yes, but nothing ever illegally.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Aug 3, 2006 2:37:18 GMT -5
I did in the name of Nena. I downloaded 99 Luftballons... but... that was it.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Aug 3, 2006 5:33:02 GMT -5
I download stuff because it'd be impossible to find the music I like in a record store. Plus, it's free.
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Post by WitchBoy on Aug 3, 2006 7:11:36 GMT -5
Every single VnV song I downloaded I bought on CD a few months later.
Older stuff like Skinny Puppy and Joy Division I don't buy back.
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Post by Britney on Aug 3, 2006 19:38:11 GMT -5
Yes, but nothing ever illegally. Why is downloading music for free considered illegal, but copying VHS tapes or DVD's or CD's perfectly legal? Why is Napster illegal, but VCRs, boomboxes (which allow for the copying of CD's to tapes), DVD burners etc. legal? If I rent a movie and copy it, then give the copy to my friend, that is legal, but if I download a song from my friend it is illegal... why is that? The law doesn't make sense. Different products in terms of legality produce the same result. It makes no sense that I should be well within my rights to make copies of DVDs and distribute them freely (the law says you can not distribute copies for commercial uses, it says nothing about non-commercial uses), and not be able to distribute that same movie online.
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Post by Justice on Aug 3, 2006 19:42:40 GMT -5
Im DLing two songs for free right now ^^
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 3, 2006 19:56:16 GMT -5
I think that if you limewire an indie artist, you had better eventually buy the CD, and not like 5 years later, in about a year. There are a lot of musicians who do really need their money. Movies? Go ahead. Indie artists are hard to find on the net to download. Most of the things you can download are from the more famous artists.
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Post by pilaf on Aug 3, 2006 22:30:41 GMT -5
When the government decides to raise the national minimum wage above $5.15, which it has been for roughly thirty years or so in my country, I'll maybe think twice about not spending the money I need on bills and groceries on music and movies. K? K.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Aug 4, 2006 3:46:51 GMT -5
I think that if you limewire an indie artist, you had better eventually buy the CD, and not like 5 years later, in about a year. There are a lot of musicians who do really need their money. Movies? Go ahead. Indie artists are hard to find on the net to download. Most of the things you can download are from the more famous artists. Not really, I know more sites for indie artists than popuar Artists.. I'll rue the day when I can just walk into a record store and be able to ask for Danse Macabre and not be met with a WTF look.
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Post by pilaf on Aug 4, 2006 11:45:09 GMT -5
If you wanna hear real Indie artists, you'll go down to the local armory or the gymnasium or a parking lot somewhere and support the local shows. Chances are, if you live in a town anywhere, there's some sort of Indie scene. It may not necessarily be the best music in the world, but it's more real and genuine than this corporate stuff we're spoonfed.
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Post by Samurai Slayer on Aug 4, 2006 11:49:24 GMT -5
Im DLing two songs for free right now ^^ I'm DLing 4 bands discogs right now
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Post by Slipper Eater on Aug 4, 2006 20:15:09 GMT -5
If you wanna hear real Indie artists, you'll go down to the local armory or the gymnasium or a parking lot somewhere and support the local shows. Chances are, if you live in a town anywhere, there's some sort of Indie scene. It may not necessarily be the best music in the world, but it's more real and genuine than this corporate stuff we're spoonfed. I'd rather not, my local bands are just trying to hop on the scene/metalcore bandwagon. The only decent localish scene is some 150 miles up in leeds. Just because a band makes money doesn't make it less real or genuine, just because they sign to a major label doesn't make it less real or genuine. What makes it less real and genuine is deserting your fans and your roots [i'e, slagging off your early influences to jump bandwagons].
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 4, 2006 20:48:00 GMT -5
I have a question, why is a band looked down upon becuase they choose to change their sound? Wouldnt you change your sound, thats can be just as good, when you can make millions, instead of thousands?
I know I would.
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Post by eek on Aug 4, 2006 20:51:22 GMT -5
I have a question, why is a band looked down upon becuase they choose to change their sound? Wouldnt you change your sound, thats can be just as good, when you can make millions, instead of thousands? I know I would. Probably because the old fans don't like it, simple as that. I mean, look at Oblivion...
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 4, 2006 21:05:07 GMT -5
Oblivion isnt music though, it didnt turn out equally good, or even anywhere near as good. It, Oblivion, wasnt different, it was just crap.
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Post by eek on Aug 4, 2006 21:09:16 GMT -5
Aye, but it's the same principle. They changed their style to appeal to a bigger market, and therefore make a bigger profit. Quality is all down to opinion. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, though.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Aug 4, 2006 21:10:43 GMT -5
I have a question, why is a band looked down upon becuase they choose to change their sound? Wouldnt you change your sound, thats can be just as good, when you can make millions, instead of thousands? I know I would. Well, it's less about the sound but the intent, take Metallica - a band that changed their music, which was anyway, to going through a blender. Plus, they treat their fans like crap from what I've heard and seen after Napster. It's not changing the sound, it's why they do it, music should be about music and not about money. There are a few bands who've changed their sound for the better (and worse in some cases), Thursday, AFI, Every time I die. Then there are ones who do it for money, My chemical romance, Atreyu went that way and so did As I Lay Dying. Haste the Day and Cradle of Filth.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 4, 2006 21:13:24 GMT -5
Ive seen even the most mainstream of gamers complaining about Oblivion though. Even the few that didnt play Morrowind.
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