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Post by pilaf on Jun 14, 2006 20:23:56 GMT -5
What do you think? This isn't a joke. This is what's really been happening under the guise of this supposed "religion" for years.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Jun 14, 2006 21:08:29 GMT -5
@ Pilaf Well... I am going to always take the agnostic approach, and question the certainty of this, is really going on or not... But for now, I assume this DID happen, or may still be going on. I am now scared, of that religion. I remember there was a "Christian Scientology" place, right behind the bank... Now I am REALLY scared of it. This is rather shocking... Though sort of not. I'm not surpised stuff like this happens. Makes me think fo a 'suicide cult'. (Sorry this wasn't that long).
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jun 14, 2006 21:10:44 GMT -5
I cant veiw it, even with cookies on. Stupid Firefox.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Jun 14, 2006 21:17:02 GMT -5
Hmm... Well I'll try and explain, what I saw. And I know I am not great at this... I'll just try and explain, some of it. (I'm not really skilled at explaining things). Anyways.
Apparently a lot of people, associated with the scientology religion, commited suicide. One guy was found dead, in a bath due to drowning, and it was so hot, it nearly burnt his skin off.
Another one jumped off a building, and a few other such things... All of it apparently caused by this religion. I am not sure if it is just suicides, or if actual murders were involved, I didn't read much into it, and mine isn't the greatest explanation. I hope I gave somewhat of a idea, to this who cannot access the page.
Apparently, their lives were okay, even good, or possibly great, untill they got involved with Scientology.
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Post by darkhelmet on Jun 14, 2006 21:30:53 GMT -5
The Mormon's were a little like that in their early days; belligerent and able to evade the law using arms. But still, very creepy.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Jun 14, 2006 21:50:06 GMT -5
Heres a bit of a definition I looked up. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ScientologyI mean absolutely no offense saying this, and I believe everyones entitled to their own beliefs... But in my opinion, again not to be blunt or anything, but I view this said religion especially, as absolutely insane, in my assumption. I've just never heard of anything else, which seemed so far fetched... I'm not really a religious person, and while I view most religions as (in my opinion) illogical, THIS one at LEAST makes most other ones, look somewhat believable by comparision in my, opinion. If this quote, from Urban Dictionary: ("This area of the galaxy was once ruled by an alien warlord named Xenu. 65 million years ago his empire was overpopulated horribly, so to combat the overpopulation he had trillions of citizens called in for psychiatric evalutations and tax audits, where they were given paralytic drugs, loaded onto space planes, and flown to Planet Teegeeack. Once on this planet, their bodies were stacked in huge piles around volcanoes, while atom bombs were dropped into these volcanos, instantly killing trillions of galactic citizens.
To keep these people from reincarnating in the rest of the galaxy, Xenu set up a special trap. Powerful force-fields kept their souls (called "Thetans" in Scientology jargon) from escaping, and these thetans were then shown special holographic movies about the various lies they are supposed to believe, with characters like Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha. Over time, these thetans began to believe Xenu's lies about false gods, and began to reincarnate on Teegeeack (but the thetans called this world "Earth"). When intelligent life appeared on Teegeeack, thousands or millions of "Thetans" cling to every native soul (er, "thetan") and fill it's head with nonsensical thoughs and irrational beliefs.
The key idea of Scientology is to avoid tax officials and psychiatrists at all costs, while paying the church a large amount of money for special "counseling" (called "auditing" in their jargon) to help you reach a special enlightened state called "Clear" where you telepathically communicate with these "thetans" clinging to you and force them out of your body, and rid yourself of evil Xenu's influence.") Is true... Well I don't know what to say. But I am not shocked, being that I all ready, view humanity as somewhat insane. I would be very very shocked, but I've seen so many things going on, sadly not even this shocks me, since I am used to expecting people, to think like this. Needless to say, I've lost my faith, in most peoples, intelligence, logic and rationality, ages ago. And this certainly didn't help.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jun 14, 2006 21:53:24 GMT -5
I sure hope thats not a serious quote.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Jun 14, 2006 22:23:18 GMT -5
Heres another link, maybe more reliable. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScientologySo no... I don't think it's a joke. It's rather ironic... This is one of those few things, I'd consider highly, actually extremely not just highly, irrational and illogical, yet very complex at the same time. It's still hard figuring out what they, believe, despite it seeming so illogical... Usually when somethings really complex, I expect good logic and such. Anyways, I'll try and not flood this thread with links, and my own posts.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jun 14, 2006 22:29:41 GMT -5
I even less understand Scientology now.
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Post by Ratwar on Jun 14, 2006 23:29:55 GMT -5
Scientology is a scam, that's something that's pretty obvious to anyone that looks into it. It's all about brainwashing.
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jun 15, 2006 9:34:23 GMT -5
It was just way to make money for L. Ron Hubbard. I doubt he even believed that a science fiction writer could actually form a successful religion that is in the very same vein of his stories. It's quite amazing.
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Post by eek on Jun 15, 2006 9:36:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't really believe this? The source is a bit dodgy if you ask me.
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jun 15, 2006 10:06:25 GMT -5
Maybe not all of it, but Scientology was definitely a way to make money for Hubbard.
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Post by eek on Jun 15, 2006 10:23:56 GMT -5
That's believeable. It's the whole series of "accidents" and such that I find to be a wee bit far-fetched.
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Post by Bloodcast_Wench on Jun 15, 2006 13:07:19 GMT -5
Freaky but you're kidding me right?
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Post by Bloodcast_Wench on Jun 15, 2006 13:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jun 15, 2006 13:21:17 GMT -5
Just ignore them, theyll all get merlaria(sp?) and refuse treatment.
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Post by Bloodcast_Wench on Jun 15, 2006 13:24:42 GMT -5
So it ain't true? That church does excist
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Post by Ratwar on Jun 15, 2006 13:49:55 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't really believe this? The source is a bit dodgy if you ask me. I don't totally believe all of the 'accidents', but scientology is definitely a very dodgy organization. Anyways, the video gives it's sources, if all of us weren't so lay, I'd say we should check it out.
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Post by Randalf on Jun 15, 2006 14:36:05 GMT -5
I'm with the skeptics about the video thing... but scientology freaks me out. The only possible way I can see people believing in it is being brainwashed, or having mental instability (isn't it convenient that they believe psychiatrists are evil? What a way to keep the brainwashing permanent.)
I kinda want to get into a huge argument with a scientologist.. I hardly ever lose arguments, and if the article from wikipedia is even half true, then I really dislike them.
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Post by morty14 on Jun 15, 2006 15:02:53 GMT -5
The Mormon's were a little like that in their early days; belligerent and able to evade the law using arms. But still, very creepy. Tell me a few major religions that haven't done worse. Christians: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisitionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisitionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Inquisitionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Inquisitionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusadesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_Witch_Trials (Just an example, they did these all over the place) Also consider the millions of pagans, heretics, and people of non-Christian backgrounds killed just for that fact, all in the name (and with the approval of) the Christian religion. Kinda makes Scientology look a tid bit better. Judaism Judaism is the cause of the killing of many early Christians for their beliefs, and they also killed Jesus for, no apparent reason beyond contradicting them. Emperor Nero did some pretty horrible things to Christians in the name of his religion (and to save his own for the Rome burning) The State of Israel has done plenty of unreputable things to further the Zionist agenda. I don't have links to specific examples, but let's be serious, do I really need them in this case? We all know Israel has done a lot of bad things to stay where it is. Islam Traditionally hostile to non-Muslims, and even to Muslims of a different sect. Ethnic cleansing has been popular among the Muslim world, as has cruel punishments. Their recent little stints in radicalism and terrorism cast a dark shadow. Plenty of other religions I could bash but you get the point. Most religions have done exponentially worse things than Scientology. I don't like it either, but let's not jump on the "ZOMG Scientology iz teh SUXXOR!" bandwagon without looking at the evils of other religions first. No large religion will ever be free of corruption, ulterior motives, and shady operations. It can be agrued that any religion was founded on bad principals, as founders of religions always become part of the worship of the religion and given almost deity status.
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Post by pilaf on Jun 15, 2006 16:38:54 GMT -5
Those religions never charged money to become members or learn what the religion was actually about, though. Scientologists forbid their lower ranked members to even browse the internet for "Scientology" because they don't want them to know about "Xenu" yet. Hence, Scientology is not a religion at all, and there's no ing "bandwagon" of people against Scientology..only people with the good ing common sense to recognize a CULT when they see one. I'm not one to throw around that word lightly either...I don't consider most things that the fundamentalists consider to be cults as actual cults. Things like Wicca and Druidism...established religions. Don't ask for money, don't deceive their followers as to what they're all about. Scientology is a cult. Scientology was founded by a science fiction writer on a bet with his friend on who could form a fake religion first and make the most money. That's exactly what Scientology is. It's not a religion. It's a sham and a crime.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Jun 15, 2006 20:35:52 GMT -5
Oh and something else, I ran into: www.firstchurchofxenu.com/I don't know of this is serious or not... And I don't trust either side, either way, but if this is serious, I am relieived, they at least, have a group, devoted to directly opposing them. This really does remind me of the: Christianity versus, Litterly Satanic cults, (No not just Satanism, those who actually believe in the Bibles, Satan and worship it), conflict.
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Post by morty14 on Jun 15, 2006 20:44:55 GMT -5
Those religions never charged money to become members or learn what the religion was actually about, though. Scientologists forbid their lower ranked members to even browse the internet for "Scientology" because they don't want them to know about "Xenu" yet. Oh are those "donation" baskets they pass around option? Gimme a break. Most people are almost required to give like 10% of their income to their religion (I'm speaking mainly of the Abrahamic ones). And most major religions (through donation baskets or such) charge their members for services. And also try to dictate how their members vote in elections. And also tell their members who to like and who not to like. All major religions are controlling. That's a cult but other religions aren't? Seems a bit close-minded if you ask me. And quite bandwagon-esque. Just things that the general populace considers to be cult-like. What about things like Amish? Are they cult-like? IMHO the Amish are more cult-like than the Scientologists. What is a religion then? According to dictionary.com a religion is: 1. 1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. 2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order. 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. That describes scientology just as well as it does any other religion. You may think scientology is a sham, and that's your right. But I say if scientology is considered a sham, so should every other religion out there. Most of them believe in ridiculous things. You can't disprove it. Scientology is actually more reasonable than Christianity or any religion that believes in a deity with omnipotence. Ever heard of the omnipotence paradox? It makes any religion that believes in an omnipotent force automatically at least false on that count. Scientology harbors no such beliefs, therefore has a possiblity of being correct. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all the other religions that believe in some omnipotent deity have no possible chance of being correct. Period. I don't like Scientology one bit, and I think it is a terrible stain on the Earth, but I feel the same way about most religions. I think that we should all realize that Scientology is no worse than most religions out there.
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jun 16, 2006 7:34:26 GMT -5
Ok this is the way I see it. The guy who made the religion was a SCI FI AUTHOR! He wrote a story and called it a religion. Same thing happened with christianity, cept scientologists are more retarded.
Also with those cases of dead people and scitzofrenics and what not, yeah thats crazy, but it happens with christians as well.
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