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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 12:58:38 GMT -5
1. Okay, in past earthquakes I'm sure that many could've died. Why didn't they? Because the population wasn't large enough. If the population had been tiny in 04, you could hardly call it end of times... The largest earthquake was in '57, can't remember how many it killed. 2. Yeah, but you're failing to acknowledge that this has happened lots of times in lots of cultures. 3. The 17th century has had the most wars, as I recall: Wars of the Three Kingdoms, England vs Scotland. English civil war. Anglo Spanish war. Nine years War. Ingrian war. Kalmar War. Thirty years war. Tortenson War. The Northern Wars. Dutch-Swedish war. Scanian War. Not including the huge number the French have been in. God sets no time span. Like it says He works in mysterious ways, yes you're going to think of it retarded, or me retarded for believing it, but it's His world to mold and shape how he wants. So, you're saying that fires are possible eh? Exactly my point, you're "sort" of agreeing with me. It's possible for a large scale fire seeing as though how hot temperatures can get.
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Post by comike14 on Jul 18, 2006 12:59:15 GMT -5
You believe the end is near because you subscribe to the stories written in the bible by men thousands of years ago, without question you do so. It doesn't take a biblical scholar to see the correlations, and the fact that something is going on. I just hope you don't blind yourself because you disagree with a group of religious people.
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 13:00:24 GMT -5
You believe the end is near because you subscribe to the stories written in the bible by men thousands of years ago, without question you do so. How many times do I have to say it: It's FAITH, some have experienced something to trigger theirs, some are still haven't but will, and some never will. You just make judgements without experiencing how great it is.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 18, 2006 13:01:28 GMT -5
bigphatty, as soon as you come to a debate place, faith comes into question.
Its as you say, faith and facts collide, and in a debate, questions are raised on both sides. Thats a debate.
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Post by thaddius on Jul 18, 2006 13:01:41 GMT -5
Faith is a mind closed to reason.
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 13:04:39 GMT -5
bigphatty, as soon as you come to a debate place, faith comes into question. Its as you say, faith and facts collide, and in a debate, questions are raised on both sides. Thats a debate. That's because that's what distincts athiesm from a religion. Athiests want facts. Religous people have faith that certain things will happen. I bring it up because this is why a debate will never truly be won when it comes to religion/athiesm. Same with politics, some people base politicians on their political views some on morals.
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Post by Anon on Jul 18, 2006 13:08:08 GMT -5
I disagree that something is going on. I would say the Middle East is going downhill fast, when we run out of oil and other fuels there will be problems, and there's always the problem of random major events wiping us out - asteroids, gamma-ray bursts, magnetic switches, ice-ages, ect. But the third is only as likely as ever, the first will not have cataclysmic world-wide effects and while the second could destroy civilisation as we know it, we have 300 years until we run out of nuclear fuel, and in that time we're bound to find an alternative.
I say everything's peachy. Or at least, no worse than before.
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 13:25:21 GMT -5
I disagree that something is going on. I would say the Middle East is going downhill fast, when we run out of oil and other fuels there will be problems, and there's always the problem of random major events wiping us out - asteroids, gamma-ray bursts, magnetic switches, ice-ages, ect. But the third is only as likely as ever, the first will not have cataclysmic world-wide effects and while the second could destroy civilisation as we know it, we have 300 years until we run out of nuclear fuel, and in that time we're bound to find an alternative. I say everything's peachy. Or at least, no worse than before. Wow, you really need to open your eyes. None of those things you stated are in the Bible prophecies and these are, and are happening at the same time as predicted. What more do you want?
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Post by thaddius on Jul 18, 2006 13:30:07 GMT -5
Maybe something that is not of the fiction genere.
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Post by Anon on Jul 18, 2006 13:31:16 GMT -5
What? I wasn't talking about the Bible prophecies, I was replying to what Comike said.
As for the prophecy, it's so incredibly vague we can't draw any conclusions from it at all. It could refer to any time between now and when humans first formed into organised groups, many, many, many thousands of years ago. It doesn't refer to now any more than it refered to every other point since soon after humanity began.
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 13:34:59 GMT -5
Maybe something that is not of the fiction genere. May God have mercy on your soul then if you never see. Plus that was really innapropriate.
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Post by comike14 on Jul 18, 2006 13:36:46 GMT -5
Anon, just keep alert. I don't want anything to happen to anyone because they were caught unawares. Be it stocking on some extra canned rations, getting some water stored away where you can access it, or learning how to shoot a gun. It's better to be safe than sorry, of course. Whether this is biblical or not, I have a very strong feeling something will happen. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm right, I want to at least give a warning.
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Post by comike14 on Jul 18, 2006 13:38:18 GMT -5
Thaddius, now you're just being obstinent.
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Post by thaddius on Jul 18, 2006 13:39:41 GMT -5
Sorry, Historical Fiction
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Post by comike14 on Jul 18, 2006 13:44:43 GMT -5
Sorry, Historical Fiction Have you anything more to say than flame-baiting one-liners? How about your reasoning? Throwing in infamitory single-line remarks is pretty childish.
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 13:49:07 GMT -5
Sorry, Historical Fiction How about I call science fictional? Oh wait that doesn't offend you because you don't get emotional over it. Do you every cry when overwhelmed with knowledge you never knew? I know I have when pertaining to my religion and I'm not in the least bit ashamed to say I have. So don't start giving me crap because I've found something to keep myself from living in this screwed up world. I keep being a good person to try and open someone's eyes not flame them when they believe anything that contradicts my beliefs.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 18, 2006 18:28:12 GMT -5
Now wars have been going on for centuries to recorded history but withing the past 100 years we have seen the worst of the worst. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq etc. But the escalated violence in the Middle East is a definate sign. They are arguing over religion, so, i'd not be quick to thank religion there. Growing population. The birth rates are going down heavily in Europe, Germany's birth rates are low, etc. The population will shrink.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 18, 2006 18:29:21 GMT -5
Sorry, Historical Fiction Please shut up. Flame-baiting is a no-no.
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Post by Vinya on Jul 18, 2006 18:36:22 GMT -5
Now, you all know my religion is Christian. And as a Christian I read the Bible. Some passages have caught my eye due to recent events in the world: Now before I start this let me clarify God does not set a time span. "There will be wars and rumors of wars, there will be famines and earthquakes in various places."- Matthew 24:7 Now wars have been going on for centuries to recorded history but withing the past 100 years we have seen the worst of the worst. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq etc. But the escalated violence in the Middle East is a definate sign. Famines happen all over the world. Before the pas 6 or 7 years it's mostly been Africa. Recently it has spread majorly in the Middle East due to warfare. Earthquakes happen all the time true, but the increased amount lately combined with war and famines suggests the end. The increase in the past 2 years is amazing. Pakistan: 50,000 dead, Indonesia(2004): Over 100,000 dead, Indonesia(2006 just within the week): 345 or so dead. Not to mention California always and Tokyo. True these are on The Ring of Fire, but lately it's more than usual. "The first angel blew his trumpet, and hail and fire were thrown down on the earth, and one-third of the earth was set on fire."-Revelation 8:7 Now this may not have happened yet, but look at the heat increase global warming etc. Look at California wildfires everywhere. The recent heat increase could cause this. Also nuclear capabilities etc. Just a few things I've found. My questions are: What do you think of what I've pointed out? How do you think the world will end? every time there is a fluctuation in weather events, people tend to think its the begginning of the end.....and war is inevitable. Maybe it is the end, or maybe its just another era of mankind. Either way, doesn't bother me too much what you consider the worst of the worst is relative; of course it was bad, the technology used was more destructive than ever before. In the last century technology has jumped phenomenally. I think the signs of the end, if Revelations is correct, would be much more pronounced and wouldn't match up so well with the current trend of weather patterns.....which suggest we are, if anything, heading towards another ice age (and no, not a la Day After Tomorrow) I must say, nuclear fallout scares me a lot more than the second coming of Christ.
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Post by mastab on Jul 18, 2006 22:20:59 GMT -5
Now, you all know my religion is Christian. And as a Christian I read the Bible. Some passages have caught my eye due to recent events in the world: Now before I start this let me clarify God does not set a time span. "There will be wars and rumors of wars, there will be famines and earthquakes in various places."- Matthew 24:7 Now wars have been going on for centuries to recorded history but withing the past 100 years we have seen the worst of the worst. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq etc. But the escalated violence in the Middle East is a definate sign. Famines happen all over the world. Before the pas 6 or 7 years it's mostly been Africa. Recently it has spread majorly in the Middle East due to warfare. Earthquakes happen all the time true, but the increased amount lately combined with war and famines suggests the end. The increase in the past 2 years is amazing. Pakistan: 50,000 dead, Indonesia(2004): Over 100,000 dead, Indonesia(2006 just within the week): 345 or so dead. Not to mention California always and Tokyo. True these are on The Ring of Fire, but lately it's more than usual. "The first angel blew his trumpet, and hail and fire were thrown down on the earth, and one-third of the earth was set on fire."-Revelation 8:7 Now this may not have happened yet, but look at the heat increase global warming etc. Look at California wildfires everywhere. The recent heat increase could cause this. Also nuclear capabilities etc. Just a few things I've found. My questions are: What do you think of what I've pointed out? How do you think the world will end? Wars have only been getting increasingly worse because of new technology - guns are getting easier and easier to get and more dangerous. But don't be mistaken, wars have been much worse in the past at times. And that is a VERY easy prediction to make. Wars are constantly going on, there will never be a stop as long as humans have opinions. Earthquakes are completely random in timing. There have been bad earthquakes in the past too. I don't think a few increased degrees and a few countries with nukes they can't and won't use qualifies as fire coming from the sky. Don't you think that if God wanted to warn us he wouldn't use metaphors?
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Post by thaddius on Jul 19, 2006 0:17:54 GMT -5
Sorry, Historical Fiction Please shut up. Flame-baiting is a no-no. Wrong in practice and concept, yes. Wrong in rules, no. And to address bigphatty. No I do not get emotional when I learn new information, infact that is what keeps me going. The usage of my mind and ration keeps me sane. The reasons that I have a bone to pick with christanity are numerous, but I will only touch on a few of them. First off, christianty has done its best to silence academia and destroy scientific research. Weather it be bans on stem cell research or destroying the great library of Alexandria, they have been there trying to crush knowledge. Perhaps the most personal one is being labeled as a lesser person because of the fact that i do not conform to their religion. This makes almost anything coming from those groups laughable to me and not worth merit or notice. The last reason that i am going to briefly state is the destruction of world cultures through the use of missionaries. I am going to leave it at that.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 19, 2006 1:45:22 GMT -5
I am similar in that I do not cry when I learn new info, save personal information ("Callico has died" brought me to tears. I loved my Grandmother's Calico cat.), however, if you are really interested in Culture being destroyed, please look to the EU. Replacing the Deutschemarks with Euros is only the first step in destroying German culture. Flamebait should be against the rules, can Samuraislayer or another Admin/Mod clarify if they just missed it or what?
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 19, 2006 8:13:16 GMT -5
Some people here are lucky I don't have a ban button
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 19, 2006 10:42:05 GMT -5
Some people here are lucky I don't have a ban button ;D Who, exactly?
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Post by eek on Jul 19, 2006 11:21:28 GMT -5
Flamebait should be against the rules, can Samuraislayer or another Admin/Mod clarify if they just missed it or what? Flame-baiting = trolling, right? Because trolling's against the rules.
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