Why I believe the end is near......

[bigphatty]

Now, you all know my religion is Christian. And as a Christian I read the Bible. Some passages have caught my eye due to recent events in the world:

Now before I start this let me clarify God does not set a time span.

"There will be wars and rumors of wars, there will be famines and earthquakes in various places."- Matthew 24:7

Now wars have been going on for centuries to recorded history but withing the past 100 years we have seen the worst of the worst. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq etc. But the escalated violence in the Middle East is a definate sign.

Famines happen all over the world. Before the pas 6 or 7 years it's mostly been Africa. Recently it has spread majorly in the Middle East due to warfare.

Earthquakes happen all the time true, but the increased amount lately combined with war and famines suggests the end. The increase in the past 2 years is amazing. Pakistan: 50,000 dead, Indonesia(2004): Over 100,000 dead, Indonesia(2006 just within the week): 345 or so dead. Not to mention California always and Tokyo. True these are on The Ring of Fire, but lately it's more than usual.

"The first angel blew his trumpet, and hail and fire were thrown down on the earth, and one-third of the earth was set on fire."-Revelation 8:7

Now this may not have happened yet, but look at the heat increase global warming etc. Look at California wildfires everywhere. The recent heat increase could cause this.
Also nuclear capabilities etc.

Just a few things I've found.

My questions are:
What do you think of what I've pointed out?
How do you think the world will end?

[Justice]

Will since im not religous i think we will destroy the world ourselves, looks like we're trying to fix it but its not gona work, in the next 100-200 years i think the people of the world with destroy it with either bombs or enviromental damage

[Hunessai]

There is speculation that the next ice age is just around the corner. (Possibly even 100 years from now.) There also exists the possibility that petrol production is on the decline. (See Peak Oil.)

I think the "end" for a lot of us is pretty close.

[Slipper Eater]

neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/7up.html

There are LESS earthquakes now, if I recall correctly. Or aroundthe same, we just record them now and we get to see it for ourselves.
Also, of course there are more wars - the bigger the population the more these things happen. Humans weren't meant to co exist in such large numbers.
Famine? England/Ireland/Russia have all suffered famine. What makes the middle east so special?
So what about California? Australia gets hundreds, and I think Australia is bigger.

[Muad'dib]

bigphatty said:

Now wars have been going on for centuries to recorded history but withing the past 100 years we have seen the worst of the worst. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq etc. But the escalated violence in the Middle East is a definate sign.

They are arguing over religion, so, i'd not be quick to thank religion there.

Famines happen all over the world. Before the pas 6 or 7 years it's mostly been Africa. Recently it has spread majorly in the Middle East due to warfare.

Growing population.

Earthquakes happen all the time true, but the increased amount lately combined with war and famines suggests the end. The increase in the past 2 years is amazing. Pakistan: 50,000 dead, Indonesia(2004): Over 100,000 dead, Indonesia(2006 just within the week): 345 or so dead. Not to mention California always and Tokyo. True these are on The Ring of Fire, but lately it's more than usual.

Plate tectonics.

Now this may not have happened yet, but look at the heat increase global warming etc. Look at California wildfires everywhere. The recent heat increase could cause this.
Also nuclear capabilities etc.

Global warming? Gas emissions (why does that look wrong? I know it is, but bah!)

Nuclear capabilities have been around for, what? Nearly a 100 years?

My questions are:
What do you think of what I've pointed out?
How do you think the world will end?

We've got a lot to worry about. We're human.

We've a lot of options. We're human.

[bigphatty]

There are LESS earthquakes now, if I recall correctly. Or aroundthe same, we just record them now and we get to see it for ourselves.

Um, there are still those that are not affecting people because they are in an unpopulated are or are not strong enough to do much damage.

Also, of course there are more wars - the bigger the population the more these things happen. Humans weren't meant to co exist in such large numbers.

Exactly more wars. Prophecies being fulfilled.

Famine? England/Ireland/Russia have all suffered famine. What makes the middle east so special?

It has had a HUGE increase in the amount homeless and starving over the past 3 years.

So what about California? Australia gets hundreds, and I think Australia is bigger.

Exactly hundreds. You're pretty much supporting what I say without realising it.

[bigphatty]

newbiezilla said:

bigphatty said:

Now wars have been going on for centuries to recorded history but withing the past 100 years we have seen the worst of the worst. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq etc. But the escalated violence in the Middle East is a definate sign.

They are arguing over religion, so, i'd not be quick to thank religion there.

Growing population.

Plate tectonics.

Global warming? Gas emissions (why does that look wrong? I know it is, but bah!)

Nuclear capabilities have been around for, what? Nearly a 100 years?

My questions are:
What do you think of what I've pointed out?
How do you think the world will end?

We've got a lot to worry about. We're human.

We've a lot of options. We're human.

EXACTLY. You agree these things have escalated in the past few years. Of course nuclear capapabilites have been aorund for the past 100 years or so, but have we had a really big reason to use them until now? I mean look, just about all of the Islamic based countries are at war with someone or something over different reasons.

[Muad'dib]

What about the Christian Crusades? Were they signs of the End Times?

[bigphatty]

newbiezilla said:

What about the Christian Crusades? Were they signs of the End Times?

No in fact the complete opposite.

"You will be persecuted, arrested and killed because of your allegiance to me. But this is only the beginning of the horrors to come." Matthew 24:9

[Anon]

Well, the passage didn't say there would be more wars, or particularly violent wars, it just said there would be wars and rumours of wars. Which has been going on for a long long time, of course.

Similarly, it only said there would be famine and earthquakes in various places. Again, that's always been happening, it doesn't say they need to be particularly devastating or anything.

It's a bit vague, really, to draw too many conclusions from it.

[bigphatty]

anon said:

Well, the passage didn't say there would be more wars, or particularly violent wars, it just said there would be wars and rumours of wars. Which has been going on for a long long time, of course.

Similarly, it only said there would be famine and earthquakes in various places. Again, that's always been happening, it doesn't say they need to be particularly devastating or anything.

It's a bit vague, really, to draw too many conclusions from it.

Like I said before, no time span. It could happen today or tomorrow as long as the prophecies are being fulfilled.

[comike14]

No endings without beginnings. The world is spiraling towards something significant, that is undeniable. Just watch the news and pay attention to what happens. No one can accurately say what will or won't happen. We just have to wait and see.

[bigphatty]

comike14 said:

No endings without beginnings. The world is spiraling towards something significant, that is undeniable. Just watch the news and pay attention to what happens. No one can accurately say what will or won't happen. We just have to wait and see.

I watch the news everyday. That combined with the Daily Show is all I ever watch on TV.

I can tell something huge is about to happen maybe religously or not. Nuclear is most likely TBH. Iran etc.

[Anon]

comike14 said:

The world is spiraling towards something significant, that is undeniable.

Possible, but I wouldn't say undeniable. What do you class as significant?

[bigphatty]

anon said:

comike14 said:

The world is spiraling towards something significant, that is undeniable.

Possible, but I wouldn't say undeniable. What do you class as significant?

I believe Jesus will come soon, but seeing as how you're an athiest I'll scratch that one.

But nuclear war, world wars, wildfires of epic proportions due to global warming, and complete moral decay.

[comike14]

bigphatty said:

comike14 said:

No endings without beginnings. The world is spiraling towards something significant, that is undeniable. Just watch the news and pay attention to what happens. No one can accurately say what will or won't happen. We just have to wait and see.

I watch the news everyday. That combined with the Daily Show is all I ever watch on TV.

I can tell something huge is about to happen maybe religously or not. Nuclear is most likely TBH. Iran etc.

I think there's a lot to be said for the fact that Christianity is far from the only faith to point towards something like this. Many native cultures go so far as to give an actual timeline for when things will start, and when they'll reach an apex. Of course, as I said before, no one can say with any certainty what will or won't happen, mainly because human free will is far to great of a variable to throw into an equation to predict the future with any success. All people can say is that "if things continue as they're going with no change, then this is most likely going to happen..."

The way things are going now, if it continues unabated, will result in a third world war. If, by some miracle, Lebanon and Isreal agree on a shakey peace, and Iran and Syria abide by what Lebenon decides, then that war will be averted for a time.

There are actually more natural disasters in the world today than since we've started seriously recording them. The weather is growing more and more unpredictable all over the world since meterology emerged as an actual science. This hurricane season is expected to be the worst on record, with more hurricanes, and more powerful hurricanes than we've ever seen. There are days in the winter that would would think it was summer, and vice-versa. Granted, this has all happened before, and the earth does indeed move in the cycles naturally, but it's interesting that this cycle is corresponding to greater violence around the world.

What will happen with the middle east bursts into flames? What will that do to the global economy, which relies so heavily on the price of oil? Poverty. How will the shifting climate and sporatic weather affect crops and livestock? Famine. How will piles of bodies in war-torn nations impact global sanitation and health? Disease. All this can be pointed biblically, naturally, or otherwise. But the fact remains that something is happening.

To those of you who say it isn't, you need to pull your head from the sand and start paying attention. Always be prepared to take your life into your own hands if/when that becomes necessary.

[Anon]

But nuclear war, world wars

I see it as unlikely. The power of the world is focused into three groups - America, Europe and China. For there to be a proper World War, two or more of those three powers would have to get involved on opposite sides. I don't think it'll happen.

Nuclear terrorism is possible, but if we lost a hundred cities, there would still be plenty more.

wildfires of epic proportions due to global warming

Wildfires might get more common, but I doubt they'll eat up the world.

and complete moral decay.

Meh, I don't see it happening any time soon. Anyway, there's no set-in-stone moral rules. Morality is personal, it doesn't really exist outside our heads.

[bigphatty]

comike14 said:

bigphatty said:

I watch the news everyday. That combined with the Daily Show is all I ever watch on TV.

I can tell something huge is about to happen maybe religously or not. Nuclear is most likely TBH. Iran etc.

Of course, as I said before, no one can say with any certainty what will or won't happen.

Exactly what my point was in the other thread. We have "faith" not factual evidence this will happen.

I was taught to have faith because I was brought up that way, it depends on your upbringing.

[Slipper Eater]

bigphatty said:

There are LESS earthquakes now, if I recall correctly. Or aroundthe same, we just record them now and we get to see it for ourselves.

Um, there are still those that are not affecting people because they are in an unpopulated are or are not strong enough to do much damage.



Exactly more wars. Prophecies being fulfilled.


It has had a HUGE increase in the amount homeless and starving over the past 3 years.

So what about California? Australia gets hundreds, and I think Australia is bigger.

Exactly hundreds. You're pretty much supporting what I say without realising it.

1. Exactly, but they've been going on for years and iirc, they've slowed down now because the Earth has settled. I just mean we have the data/news to report them, which makes it seem like there are more.

2. How is it a prophpecy? In every civ. there have been wars, and the larger the population grew the more wars/civil wars they had til they collapsed. It doesn't mean anything.

3. So? What makes it so different from the other populations that suffered that throughout the centuries? With the increase of war, comes the increase of famine and homeless etc. It's hardly risen.

4. I'm not, if you look closely. I'm giving you reasons other than prophecy. xP However, Aus has always had that problem. So it is far from new.

[Anon]

Granted, this has all happened before, and the earth does indeed move in the cycles naturally, but it's interesting that this cycle is corresponding to greater violence around the world.

Not really. I think it's a coincidence. Sometimes, things get worse than other times. And war is bound to get worse as our technology becomes more advanced.

What will happen with the middle east bursts into flames? What will that do to the global economy, which relies so heavily on the price of oil? Poverty. How will the shifting climate and sporatic weather affect crops and livestock? Famine. How will piles of bodies in war-torn nations impact global sanitation and health? Disease. All this can be pointed biblically, naturally, or otherwise. But the fact remains that something is happening.

Oil is a problem, but I doubt it will be the breakdown of civilisation as we know it. Cars can run on other fuels. The problem really is planes, which can only run reliably on oil, and plastic, which of course requires oil. The Middle East will get hit hard, economies will collapse. But we'll get over it. Piles of bodies will be bad for some, but they won't destroy the world. The Middle East will of course be famine-struck, but other nations will survive.

I think the Middle East is going no where fast, but the world in general will get through fine.

[bigphatty]

1. Exactly, but they've been going on for years and iirc, they've slowed down now because the Earth has settled. I just mean we have the data/news to report them, which makes it seem like there are more.

That's why over 100,000 people died on Christmas in 2004? And there are earthquakes everyday big and small and even the small ones count.

2. How is it a prophpecy? In every civ. there have been wars, and the larger the population grew the more wars/civil wars they had til they collapsed. It doesn't mean anything.

Exactly with war comes homelessness, poverty, diseases, famine, and even death.

3. So? What makes it so different from the other populations that suffered that throughout the centuries?
With the increase of war, comes the increase of famine and homeless etc. It's hardly risen.

Hardly risen? I guess that's why almost all the Islamic countries are at each others throats.

Lebanon vs. Isreal
Iraq vs. Iraq/America(civil war)

Not to mention the various threats from the 10 or so major terrorist groups.

Plus Iran, North Korea still pending.

4. I'm not, if you look closely. I'm giving you reasons other than prophecy. xP However, Aus has always had that problem. So it is far from new.

How so?

[comike14]

Whoa, I just realized that some of you may be trying to argue the same points. Prophecy isn't the reason events occur. You can't say, "well I dictate that this house will burn down," and then expect the house to burn down of its own accord. You have to set it on fire. You get what I'm saying?

The point is, nothing that's going on now is a result of what was said in the bible--it's just happening. You may look at the bible and say, "here's what I think will happen SOON," but not, "this is happening because the bible said it would." People start wars with people, not God on humanity.

So you can't really give people "reasons" for this happening other than what a prophesy says, because a prophesy in and of itself has no bearing or impact on the outcome of any one situation. In other words, prophesy isn't a reason to begin with.

[bigphatty]

comike14 said:

Whoa, I just realized that some of you may be trying to argue the same points. Prophecy isn't the reason events occur. You can't say, "well I dictate that this house will burn down," and then expect the house to burn down of its own accord. You have to set it on fire. You get what I'm saying?

The point is, nothing that's going on now is a result of what was said in the bible--it's just happening. You may look at the bible and say, "here's what I think will happen SOON," but not, "this is happening because the bible said it would." People start wars with people, not God on humanity.

So you can't really give people "reasons" for this happening other than what a prophesy says, because a prophesy in and of itself has no bearing or impact on the outcome of any one situation. In other words, prophesy isn't a reason to begin with.

Well of course "we" fulfill the prophecies said. God is all knowing and sees the past/present/future and how we will eventually screw ourselves over. He does not just come out of Heaven and do it for us, that would ruin his plan.

BTW Comike14 thanks for keeping an open mind

[Slipper Eater]

1. Okay, in past earthquakes I'm sure that many could've died. Why didn't they? Because the population wasn't large enough. If the population had been tiny in 04, you could hardly call it end of times... The largest earthquake was in '57, can't remember how many it killed.

2. Yeah, but you're failing to acknowledge that this has happened lots of times in lots of cultures.

3. The 17th century has had the most wars, as I recall:

Wars of the Three Kingdoms, England vs Scotland.
English civil war.
Anglo Spanish war.
Nine years War.
Ingrian war.
Kalmar War.
Thirty years war.
Tortenson War.
The Northern Wars.
Dutch-Swedish war.
Scanian War.

Not including the huge number the French have been in.

4. How so? Australia is a hot country and it makes sense if the sun is so hot and concentrated on a dry, arid landscape that things would catch fire. Like a magnifying glass.

[thaddius]

You believe the end is near because you subscribe to the stories written in the bible by men thousands of years ago, without question you do so.