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Post by Slipper Eater on Jul 13, 2006 14:06:51 GMT -5
No what is love jokes, please. So, what do you think God is and why do you think that? Even if you don't believe he is real, just think hypothetically like I'm doing. If God exists, and say he does... I think God wouldn't be sentient, powerful? Yes, but he is either not sentient or he just doesn't take an active role in the universe anymore, ala Cthullu or The Old Ones from the H.P Lovecraft mythos. If you're wondering why I think this, it's possibly because I don't see him having an active role, due to how much famine and poverty the world has. And for some reason, a guy with a large beard and a robe and sandals, just doesn't scream all powerful. As for him just being the 'thing' that caused the big bang (don't start me, I have complex theories about that), that could be seen as logical - or for him to be matter, it'd make him all powerful but it'd explain quite a bit in my opinion.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 14:12:43 GMT -5
Well, i'm not putting the idea that we were put here by aliens in some form out the window... Considering the building of the pyramids, I'd not say it impossible that it was aliens involved. Not saying its what I believe, because what I believe is nothing. Well, nothing firmly. I don't look at what I have as beliefs. Ideas, yes. And I have a lot, and am constantly re-evaluating them. As for him just being the 'thing' that caused the big bang (don't start me, I have complex theories about that), that could be seen as logical - or for him to be matter, it'd make him all powerful but it'd explain quite a bit in my opinion. Well, the big bang is kind of in the Quantum Mechanics thing, apparently, and i'm reading that between posting here.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Jul 13, 2006 14:20:59 GMT -5
Yes but, hypothetically what do you think he could be if he exists?
Eh, I'd say the universe has always been here, but as it expands then contracts it gets pulled into a large bang (think of an elastic band), then it creates something new.. And we can't see 'nothing' because nothing isn't even a vacuum.
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Post by Justice on Jul 13, 2006 14:33:34 GMT -5
Ah, i understand now If god exists i think he only had the power to create the universe, and now he is doomed to walk this world a normal human who cant die. It would make sense to all the problems in the world
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 14:36:49 GMT -5
Stealth, that'd be an interesting approach, if we had such a candidate. For instance, if Jesus was the candidate in question (if Christianity was right)
I guess looking at it, you'd probably be closer to Buddhism then, am I right?
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Post by Justice on Jul 13, 2006 14:39:00 GMT -5
Ive looked at buddishm but i dont really agree fully with any relgion, so im sticking with agnostic/atheist (sp?)
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Post by Vinya on Jul 13, 2006 14:42:56 GMT -5
I was gonna write some philosphical thingo about understanding nature and fate through enlightenment and how God is present in all things and all moments, but it'd be easier to say that I think of God as a great big smily face floating in outer space. (yes, thats what I thought he looked like when I was little)
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Post by Slipper Eater on Jul 13, 2006 14:52:55 GMT -5
Why can't you write a huge essay? Anyway, if they say that the feeling you get in church is God - the feeling of something greater than you, I'd say God is everything. Everything has the potential to be powerful and I assume everything CAN be powerful if used in conjunction with everything else.
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Post by Vinya on Jul 13, 2006 14:57:31 GMT -5
Ive looked at buddishm but i dont really agree fully with any relgion, so im sticking with agnostic/atheist (sp?) well it'd be sort of a contradiction if you said you were both agnostic and an athiest, since agnostics are basically non religious but athiests absolutely believe there is no God or gods of any sort.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Jul 13, 2006 15:03:01 GMT -5
I'm an atheist but I don't claim to know there is no god. I just believe there isn't. It seem illogical and too simple.
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Post by Justice on Jul 13, 2006 15:06:31 GMT -5
Ive looked at buddishm but i dont really agree fully with any relgion, so im sticking with agnostic/atheist (sp?) well it'd be sort of a contradiction if you said you were both agnostic and an athiest, since agnostics are basically non religious but athiests absolutely believe there is no God or gods of any sort. Fine, athiest for me, since i dont belive in god
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Post by thaddius on Jul 13, 2006 15:17:35 GMT -5
God is the embodiment of hope.
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Post by ShadowLynx on Jul 13, 2006 15:24:23 GMT -5
I'll have to say that God is higher up etherial being that works in It's on way to provide means for us whether ill or good.
My communism tenets dictated there is no god though.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 13, 2006 15:31:08 GMT -5
God is Nena. God's brother-in-law is Erwin Rommel. It's really that simple.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 15:35:13 GMT -5
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Post by comike14 on Jul 13, 2006 15:51:43 GMT -5
God isn't a thing, or a what, or a who. God is refered to as a "He" in all contexts because our human brains are finite, and unable to know his true nature. God for Christians, Allah for Islams, the Great Spirit for native cultures around the world, the Creator for druids, Father, etc, etc. We personify God because we can't understand him. So what IS God?
God is everything. He's us, we're him. He's the air we breathe, the water we drink, the atoms that make up our bodies. The protons, neutrons, and electrons that make up atoms, the quarks and gluons within those. He's everything that is, and the space between everything that is. Singular and ultimate consiousness--every action, deed, thought, or prayer is done within the mind of God. And in the end, that's what God is--a mind. A conciousness powerful enough to think existence into existence.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Jul 13, 2006 15:55:51 GMT -5
Existence was already there if something was present. It would have to be nothing in order to drum up existence, the ability to have consciousness etc, would automatically mean that there was existence. And humans can drum up existence, we can create worlds in our mind. Hell.. If we can create a universe who is to say we aren't just a persons thoughts?
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Post by comike14 on Jul 13, 2006 16:00:55 GMT -5
You touch on more than you know, Slipper. Outside of our time and space, we cannot understand existence without being. That is to say, we can't comprehend how something can BE without something already. But we can all agree that, religous or no, something had to come from nothing. So why can't all this be the dream in the mind of our Creator? And why, if we're a part of God, can't we create things ourselves? I can dig into that with you if you're interested in continuing. EDIT: I gotta run, but I'll be back a bit later. Good to be here, BTW.
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Post by Slipper Eater on Jul 13, 2006 16:15:14 GMT -5
Obviously, but why use God? It seems very simplistic to simply say that someone had to drum us up. If I think about it from a Christian/Theist standpoint, I can see why they think that. I see it from a neutral standpoint and I understand both... But I just don't believe. I talk in hypotheticals here, not proof. Actually, I tend to disagree. It is relatively easy to know that there is nothing, but far more difficult to say there has always been something there. People can't comprehend it, and have to ask questions like, 'what was here before?' If something is always there, it is infinite. Humans can't really understand infinity. I can't explain it properly because I'm a wee bit tired. Well it could be, and we can create things ourselves. If I dream I create a world in my mind where people have motives, they speak, think and feel. Hence why I always say that we could easily be just a dream. If we were just a dream/thought then that person would be God. However, it seems far fetched to me, but please continue. I debate better when not tired.
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Post by Hunessai on Jul 13, 2006 17:13:28 GMT -5
Ive looked at buddishm but i dont really agree fully with any relgion, so im sticking with agnostic/atheist (sp?) All Buddhists are atheists. There are no gods in Buddhism.
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Post by comike14 on Jul 13, 2006 17:28:45 GMT -5
Obviously, but why use God? It seems very simplistic to simply say that someone had to drum us up. If I think about it from a Christian/Theist standpoint, I can see why they think that. I see it from a neutral standpoint and I understand both... But I just don't believe. I talk in hypotheticals here, not proof. Actually, I tend to disagree. It is relatively easy to know that there is nothing, but far more difficult to say there has always been something there. People can't comprehend it, and have to ask questions like, 'what was here before?' If something is always there, it is infinite. Humans can't really understand infinity. I can't explain it properly because I'm a wee bit tired. Well it could be, and we can create things ourselves. If I dream I create a world in my mind where people have motives, they speak, think and feel. Hence why I always say that we could easily be just a dream. If we were just a dream/thought then that person would be God. However, it seems far fetched to me, but please continue. I debate better when not tired. Many different religions AND spiritual beliefs claim that we are all indeed part of God. Christianity likes to deny it, but Jesus did say, "Does your scripture not say that you are all Gods?" We can create, and we do create. We make thoughts into reality all the time with our actions--that's creation. But we also create in a more spiritual sense. Something I can't get into because it's the result of years of meditations, cross-cultural research, and spiritual activities. But we can, and we do it all the time. The reason we attribute Creation to something/someone is because of consciousness. Can something exist from nothing? Of course not. But can Consciousness exist from nothing? Well now... hmmm. It is a thing? Er... Your stage.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 17:42:58 GMT -5
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Post by comike14 on Jul 13, 2006 19:24:44 GMT -5
Holy canolli! I'm watching it now, but it falls into basically what I believe: "All we can really say about all this insubstantial matter is that it's more like a thought." Direct quote I just watched (still watching) and it hits the nail on the flippin head. Thanks for the link!!
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 19:25:16 GMT -5
No worries There is some great stuff in it... Things about water... You'll see
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jul 13, 2006 21:26:25 GMT -5
I think god is a mindset, an ambition to pull people through hard times. Unfortunately that is too easy to manipulate which is why I dont like it.
I do not believe logicaly any form of god can exist, simply, there is no proof that anything can trancend the physical world.
Now the most logical explanation I could come up for a creater is some form of collective conciouseness that simply began to exist, in a similer way life on earth did but out in space, however, matter and energy would have to exsist before this, so this creater (maybe of our universe) would be a being that simply has a better understanding of how to manipulate their environment. In otherwords, if there was a higher power who created our universe, it would be an alien from another universe.
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