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[Muad'dib]

thaddius said:

Yep, thank you Bush. My new Big Brother.

I would say, he is maintaining the Big Brother State in its functional capacity. Nothing particularly new here.

The Instant Messenger programs were already being spotted on. As were phone calls.

[illicit]

newbiezilla said:

thaddius said:

Yep, thank you Bush. My new Big Brother.

I would say, he is maintaining the Big Brother State in its functional capacity. Nothing particularly new here.

The Instant Messenger programs were already being spotted on. As were phone calls.

Actually every president has done phone taps.

[mastab]

George Washington did phone taps? OMG!

[illicit]

mastab said:

George Washington did phone taps? OMG!

Yea, yea he did.

[darkhelmet]

illicit said:

newbiezilla said:

I would say, he is maintaining the Big Brother State in its functional capacity. Nothing particularly new here.

The Instant Messenger programs were already being spotted on. As were phone calls.

Actually every president has done phone taps.

It started with Gerald Ford. But Bush is being blamed because he has taken it to a new extreme.

[WitchBoy]

So, just because other presidents have circumvented the law that gives current and coming ones the right to? People have always commited theft as well, should that continue? Just because something happens doesn't mean it's right. The president shouldn't be above the law

Saying "every other president did phone taps" is really no different than saying "every single civilization had rape".

[illicit]

thiefonaleash said:

So, just because other presidents have circumvented the law that gives current and coming ones the right to? People have always commited theft as well, should that continue? Just because something happens doesn't mean it's right. The president shouldn't be above the law

Saying "every other president did phone taps" is really no different than saying "every single civilization had rape".

But why does bush get all the blame for something even clinton did.

[darkhelmet]

illicit said:

thiefonaleash said:

So, just because other presidents have circumvented the law that gives current and coming ones the right to? People have always commited theft as well, should that continue? Just because something happens doesn't mean it's right. The president shouldn't be above the law

Saying "every other president did phone taps" is really no different than saying "every single civilization had rape".

But why does bush get all the blame for something even clinton did.

It's all politics, man. The Democrats need something to make the Republicans look bad.

But also, he's done it far more then the other presidents. And he's unpopular. And he's been taking away rights faster then any president before.

[illicit]

darkhelmet said:

illicit said:

But why does bush get all the blame for something even clinton did.

It's all politics, man. The Democrats need something to make the Republicans look bad.

But also, he's done it far more then the other presidents. And he's unpopular. And he's been taking away rights faster then any president before.

He isnt taking them away, congress is, you have a problem bash the senators.

[darkhelmet]

I never said I had a problem.

But seriously, the PATRIOT act was basically shoved through by Bush. The Congress has a Republican majority, thus, they will support the president. And these illegal wiretappings, questionable use of the base in Guantanamo, and CIA dealings violating international laws reflect poorly on his respect for the law.

[illicit]

darkhelmet said:

I never said I had a problem.

But seriously, the PATRIOT act was basically shoved through by Bush. The Congress has a Republican majority, thus, they will support the president. And these illegal wiretappings, questionable use of the base in Guantanamo, and CIA dealings violating international laws reflect poorly on his respect for the law.

The illegal wiretappings I can see, but the Guantanamo would have nothing to do with him, it would be the soldiers there and the military leaders.

[Hunessai]

The President IS the military leader, Yawmwen.

[mastab]

Comander in Chief, :yep yep yep:. Don't tell me you got rid of the ducky emote!

[darkhelmet]

Yep yep yep.

[illicit]

Hunessai said:

The President IS the military leader, Yawmwen.

To a very SMALL percent. Its mostly the commanders stationed there, the president cant say "Make a porno about the prisoners in Guantanemo"

[mastab]

[If he said that,] the soldiers would obey. Our prez is supreme commander of the military. Everyone answers to him.

[illicit]

mastab said:

[If he said that,] the soldiers would obey. Our prez is supreme commander of the military. Everyone answers to him.

Sorry, but thats wrong, does everyone answer to a general?! No a major or a lietenent MIGHT, but the local commanders are down there commanding it, the president CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT, tell them what to do in specific bases, he can only punish those who do not follow geneva convention.

[mastab]

Indirectly everyone answers to a general. The general sends commands down the chain untill they reach the soldiers who act them out. Just as the president sends commands down the chain to the generals. What we are talking about is not a specific case. He decides the policies in prisons, or if he doesn't say anything they assume they are supposed to follow the rules.

[illicit]

Actually a general cant control the battle, he can only operate the big scheme of things, the offensives of his division/battalion/army, the general cant say "Fortify this house" he can only say "Move the ___ here, set it in position to attack/defend", just like the president cant say "Torture prisoners", he can only say keep prisoners here, the commanders decides what happens.

[mastab]

This isn't a battle we're dealing with here. It's a military prison. Everyone is connected with everyone else. The president can say that, and the soldiers he tell to do it can file a report. Do you think anyone would beleive them? Presidencies are very good at hiding things. The soldier's career would also be destroyed.

[illicit]

The soldiers admitted to having done it alone, that enough?

[mastab]

Do you know what would happen to them if they blamed the president?

[Muad'dib]

Who are the public going to believe? Some soldier, or the President?

[darkhelmet]

illicit said:

Hunessai said:

The President IS the military leader, Yawmwen.

To a very SMALL percent. Its mostly the commanders stationed there, the president cant say "Make a porno about the prisoners in Guantanemo"

Actually, the torture doctrine came from the very top. The President tells the Secretary of War/Defense what he wants done, the Defense Department creates the plan of attack, forwards it to the commanders in the Armed Forces, who then carry out the operation. So if Bush wanted what you said, he could have it done.

[illicit]

mastab said:

Do you know what would happen to them if they blamed the president?

Nothing, if anything happened to them the ACLU, and everyone would be on them, if you knew about americans you would know they would do anything to avoid being blamed.