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Post by melchior1 on Aug 6, 2006 15:12:02 GMT -5
they took enchant skill out of oblivion
damn them
that was the best skill in Morrowind
I guess I'll just be akickass thief
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Post by ShadowLynx on Aug 7, 2006 5:52:06 GMT -5
It wasn't really needed.
It's fine in Oblivion and in Morrowind hardly anyone choose it.
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Post by eek on Aug 7, 2006 8:16:52 GMT -5
I never actually used that skill at all in Morrowind. It didn't help much.  |
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Post by melchior1 on Aug 7, 2006 10:33:48 GMT -5
It was my favorite skill in MW though  .....it let me kick all kinds of  |
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Post by lucia on Aug 7, 2006 10:37:55 GMT -5
You can still enchant things, it's gonna be okay.  |
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Post by Muad'dib on Aug 7, 2006 12:09:08 GMT -5
I never used it, but I still don't like this "Take skills out of the game" thing that was so strong.
I didn't use spears, but that didn't mean I didn't like them being there. Spears gave the game autheticity. In my mind, the spear is the weapon of the Imperials, and for spears to be taken away on their home province is really a W T F moment. Think about that if you will.
Unarmoured was a skill I quite liked time to time, and yet it was taken out.
I have a theory on why they didn't put these things in... Skill perks. If they put in enchanting as a skill, what would the perks be? You get to put a stronger enchantment as you go up 25? Doubtful. People would get pissed because it'd be so hard to get to 100 (like it is in Mercantile, but who really cares that much about mercantile.... Not saying mercantile is bad, but if you don't get to 100, its unlikely you'll go crazy...)
Next one, unarmoured... Move faster? No, thats speed, not how much armour you have, so that as a skill perk would bring up some questions.
Next, they removed some things from the marksmand skill, again, I think the skill system got this, and the spear... Think about how blunt. blades and hand to hand had virtually the same perks... Now, think if spear had the same as that? I think it may have been something they considered.
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Post by eek on Aug 7, 2006 12:11:50 GMT -5
I'm with you there Muad, but there really is no need for unarmoured in Oblivion, since it's all player reflexes now when it comes to hitting, rather than chance.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 7, 2006 17:22:35 GMT -5
I didn't use spears, but that didn't mean I didn't like them being there. Spears gave the game autheticity. In my mind, the spear is the weapon of the Imperials, and for spears to be taken away on their home province is really a W T F moment. Think about that if you will. Maybe the Imperial's military is really poor? And all the spears were away with all their troops deployed in other provinces?  |
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Post by thevikinggoddess on Aug 7, 2006 21:10:13 GMT -5
No, it's because all the Imperials are now using Katanas. Gaaaaaah, get it straight.  |
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Post by Muad'dib on Aug 8, 2006 0:35:19 GMT -5
I'm with you there Muad, but there really is no need for unarmoured in Oblivion, since it's all player reflexes now when it comes to hitting, rather than chance. Sorry to be dense, but I still don't see how thats enough of a problem to warrant removing it. Maybe the Imperial's military is really poor? And all the spears were away with all their troops deployed in other provinces?  No, it's because all the Imperials are now using Katanas. Gaaaaaah, get it straight.  How silly of me. |
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Post by powerslide on Aug 8, 2006 5:39:28 GMT -5
Enchanting was a bit of a joke in MW - "here, have my new armour that fortifies strength by 100 pts, MWAHAHAHAHA!"
In OB the Arcane uni is a far more mundane idea, but far more balanced - the sigil stones are intended to be the big Kahuna methinks.
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Post by WitchBoy on Aug 8, 2006 5:47:41 GMT -5
Actually, as far as lore goes they screwed it all to hell. Imperial guards are supposed to all wear dragonscale armor and wield dai-katanas. Hell, Cyrodiil was supposed to be a jungle, not a forest.
Oh well.
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Post by eek on Aug 8, 2006 7:08:36 GMT -5
I'm with you there Muad, but there really is no need for unarmoured in Oblivion, since it's all player reflexes now when it comes to hitting, rather than chance. Sorry to be dense, but I still don't see how thats enough of a problem to warrant removing it. Not so much a problem as the fact that it's completely redundant. In MW is put up your AR to simulate the dodging of attacks (although it was a wee bit broken), bu since the process of hitting is no longer chance but now down to player skill, proper dodging actually works. It did in MW to a certain extent, true, but not completely. |
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Post by WitchBoy on Aug 8, 2006 8:02:59 GMT -5
I use a mod that adds an unarmoured skill to the game. As long as you aren't wearing a cuirass you get the bonus (other pieces subtract from the unarmoured AC, but don't take all of it away. Shields also negate it until you get to skill level 75 or so). At about 90 skill right now I think my AC is 30.
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Post by melchior1 on Aug 9, 2006 20:05:03 GMT -5
what!? no spears or crossbows either? What has Tamriel come to?
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Post by Vinya on Aug 9, 2006 21:21:16 GMT -5
last Autumn called, they want their spear rage back XD |
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Post by melchior1 on Aug 12, 2006 22:33:41 GMT -5
I can't whack people with my staff either.....what good is a stick if you can't beat someone with it?
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Post by melchior1 on Aug 15, 2006 12:36:39 GMT -5
only slightly disappointed.
I love the game but it just seems to be missing something that morrowind had
I think in trying to make the game more roleplayable, bethesda oversimplified it, not just the enchanting thing, but with weapons, combat, skills, and probably other stuff I haven't come across yet...
I haven't tried any mods yet, so hopefully when I decide to download some they will add something thats missing
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Post by lulu on Aug 15, 2006 12:47:21 GMT -5
Some RAI mods are worth checking out.
USELESS FACT!!!!!: Radiant AI first appeared in Medal of Honor Allied Assault
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Post by Avis on Aug 15, 2006 12:50:05 GMT -5
..Really? Awesome. Now all the people that say OB "stole" RAI from Gothic can stfu because Gothic "stole" it from MOH:AA, haha!
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Post by lulu on Aug 15, 2006 12:59:17 GMT -5
..Really? Awesome. Now all the people that say OB "stole" RAI from Gothic can stfu because Gothic "stole" it from MOH:AA, haha! RAI was used in many games after, including Halo. |
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.....it let me kick all kinds of 
of TEH CUTENESS!!
