Pollution and Global warming

[Zadak]

I really don't care at all
when they say "save the our planet" I say "Why? What has it ever done for me?"

[eek]

I'd like to see people do something about it. I try not to cause any unneeded damage, but I can't see myself going out of my way to do any more unless everyone else pulls their heads back out of where the sun don't shine and does the same.

[iGuess]

I just started reading "An Inconvenient Truth" I'll get back to you when I'm done. For now all I can say is that it will probably affect us a lot sooner than we all think. I don't recycle for the next generation, I do it for mine.

[Gold_skywalker]

zadak said:

I really don't care at all
when they say "save the our planet" I say "Why? What has it ever done for me?"

Hm... Didn't Penn and Teller's Bullshit do an episode on Recycling?

Why... I do believe they did!

Sadly, youtube couldn't find it... Ach, shade...

[Muad'dib]

I remember seeing it before... I'll probably wind up seeing it before its on tv if you know what I mean.

[pilaf]

Penn and Teller have a strong libertarian agenda, so take anything they "debunk" with a grain of salt. I so agree with some of their viewpoints about some of the issues, but others - not so much. There is ample scientific evidence that pollution is already taking its toll on the Earth and thus indirectly on the human population.

I'm with iguess. I'm worried about my lifetime. If I live to be 100, and people don't shape up their habits soon, it could be a very miserable old age for me.

[comike14]

zadak said:

I really don't care at all
when they say "save the our planet" I say "Why? What has it ever done for me?"

I'm sorry, but that's just plain stupid. How about everything you're made up of comes from the earth? Or the air you breathe, water you drink, food you eat? The planet gave you life, and you're content with people sucking the life out of the earth?

It's that attitude that I really can't stand.

[sugardrive]

I shall second that, mike.

[Gold_skywalker]

sugardrive said:

I shall second that, mike.

Why, hello thar SD.

[mastab]

I know it´s there, but I don´t care. The REALLY bad effects won´t happen until I´m old or dead, and I don´t care about those freeloading bastards in the next generation. What have they ever done for me? Nothing, let ém drown or burn or whatever. I think it´s about time the human race died anyway.

[Daemon Sophic]

sugardrive said:

I shall second that, mike.

Thirded.
It is an attitude I cannot stand, and have great difficulty understanding. I know much of humanity is mired in short-sighted, self-satisfying stupidity......but come on. If you can operate a computer, surely you can't be that incredibly dumb.

Then again.....

[eek]

daemon said:

If you can operate a computer, surely you can't be that incredibly dumb.

Then again.....

Ever play Halo?

[Daemon Sophic]

eek said:

daemon said:

If you can operate a computer, surely you can't be that incredibly dumb.

Then again.....

Ever play Halo?

That's what I mean.

[iGuess]

Either the people who play Halo are 90% black, or I need to kick some . N***** is like the most common word I hear.

[pilaf]

mastab said:

I know it´s there, but I don´t care. The REALLY bad effects won´t happen until I´m old or dead, and I don´t care about those freeloading bastards in the next generation. What have they ever done for me? Nothing, let ém drown or burn or whatever. I think it´s about time the human race died anyway.

What makes the next generation any more "freeloading" than this one? Aren't you and I ourselves standing on the shoulders of past generations? This is how humanity works... we help one another out and pave the road for a better future. If everyone thought the way you think, people would have just laid down and let Hitler run them down.

The most critical flaw I can imagine in the character of any human being is such total apathy..the inability to empathize with other human beings, to put yourself in someone else's shoes. I have to attempt to make the world a better place because I put myself in the shoes of the kids who aren't even born yet whose future depends on our actions here and now. I'd feel like a failure as a human being if I didn't care.

[Zadak]

what will they miss out on: a bunch of trees and a few animals. I wouldn't miss them if they just suddenly vanished

I'd miss good fast cars alot more

[comike14]

zadak said:

what will they miss out on: a bunch of trees and a few animals. I wouldn't miss them if they just suddenly vanished

I'd miss good fast cars alot more

I hope you're either joking, or mentally incapacitated.

[Daemon Sophic]

comike14 said:

zadak said:

what will they miss out on: a bunch of trees and a few animals. I wouldn't miss them if they just suddenly vanished

I'd miss good fast cars alot more

I hope you're either joking, or mentally incapacitated.

Don't worry. He most certainly is either one or the other.

[mastab]

pilaf said:

mastab said:

I know it´s there, but I don´t care. The REALLY bad effects won´t happen until I´m old or dead, and I don´t care about those freeloading bastards in the next generation. What have they ever done for me? Nothing, let ém drown or burn or whatever. I think it´s about time the human race died anyway.

What makes the next generation any more "freeloading" than this one? Aren't you and I ourselves standing on the shoulders of past generations? This is how humanity works... we help one another out and pave the road for a better future. If everyone thought the way you think, people would have just laid down and let Hitler run them down.

The most critical flaw I can imagine in the character of any human being is such total apathy..the inability to empathize with other human beings, to put yourself in someone else's shoes. I have to attempt to make the world a better place because I put myself in the shoes of the kids who aren't even born yet whose future depends on our actions here and now. I'd feel like a failure as a human being if I didn't care.

Nothing makes the more freeloading. We're plenty freeloading ourselves. So freeloading, in fact, that I freeload too much to help other freeloaders. Actually, if everyone thought the way I did Hitler wouldn't have run anybody down. He would have quit his job, and sat on a hammok by the beach and let the stress roll off.

And I know it'll suck for them. I don't have to walk in their shoes to do that. But then again I don't care about them. See, I do things for the result. I don't give to charity, I don't let people cross the street, and I certainly don't get out of my way to help other people if it will bring no benefit to me. I don't see why our generation should work our asses off so that some other generation can enjoy the fruits of our work. Let em die, melt, drown, burn, or whatever else will happen.

[milanius]

zadak said:

what will they miss out on: a bunch of trees and a few animals. I wouldn't miss them if they just suddenly vanished

I'd miss good fast cars alot more

Boo-hoo, poor baby Keep in mind that you'll miss those cars ANYWAY, since oil reserves are bound to wanish completely by the half of this century... what this poor, tormented planet needs is a clean and highly available source of energy and, of course, less idiots on it
I vote for Hydrogen.

[nicknak]

milanius said:

zadak said:

what will they miss out on: a bunch of trees and a few animals. I wouldn't miss them if they just suddenly vanished

I'd miss good fast cars alot more

Boo-hoo, poor baby Keep in mind that you'll miss those cars ANYWAY, since oil reserves are bound to wanish completely by the half of this century... what this poor, tormented planet needs is a clean and highly available source of energy and, of course, less idiots on it
I vote for Hydrogen.

Can I get a link that says that oil reserves will run short in about half a century? I am not trying to argue I just wanna see some expert opinion.

My thought it we are not the cause of global warming. The earth was way hotter in the dinosaur age. Those that believe in atheism and science and all that should know that we are not a permanent species and that eventually we will be gone like the dinosaurs. That can happen due to temperature change. Apparently we are still in an Ice age.

Many glacial advances and retreats have occurred during the last billion years of Earth history. These glaciations are not randomly distributed in time.Instead, they are concentrated into four time intervals. Large, important glaciations occurred during the late Proterozoic (between about800 and 600 million years ago), during the Pennsylvanian and Permian (between about 350 and 250 million years ago), and the late Neogene toQuaternary (the last 4 million years). Somewhat less extensive glaciations occurred during portions of the Ordovician and Silurian (between about 460 and 430 million years ago).

During each of these intervals, many glacial advances and retreatsoccurred. For example, over 60 glacial advances and retreats have occurred during the last 2 million years.

If "ice age" is used to refer to long, generally cool, intervals during which glaciers advance and retreat, we are still in one today. Our modern climate represents a very short, warm period between glacial advances.

www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/when_ice_ages.html

I do not know how credible this is but I found it and thought it somewhat interesting.

[Ratwar]

Can I get a link that says that oil reserves will run short in about half a century? I am not trying to argue I just wanna see some expert opinion.

Knock Yourself out.

My thought it we are not the cause of global warming. The earth was way hotter in the dinosaur age. Those that believe in atheism and science and all that should know that we are not a permanent species and that eventually we will be gone like the dinosaurs. That can happen due to temperature change. Apparently we are still in an Ice age.

While there is no proof that humans are the cause of global warming, we do know that there is a greenhouse effect involving the earth's atmosphere. We know that CO₂ is one of the gases that causes this greenhouse effect. The only real question is whether or not we're producing enough CO₂ to actually effect this action. We also know that Global warming is a bad thing. Basically, it is a case of pressing a big red button. It might not be doing anything, by why take that chance? Besides, CO₂ isn't really the best thing to put in the atmospere anyways.(Oh, and you would do well to note that there is nothing in the theory of evolution that says that one species has to eventually die out.)

I do not know how credible this is but I found it and thought it somewhat interesting.

Looks decently credible, but humans have only been around for ~200,000 years, so we're basically ice age creatures... I mean, the dinosaurs might have survived when it was hotter, but we aren't dinosaurs, are we?

[nicknak]

I get where you are coming and and I sort of agree. I am just saying that everyone who is saying its ALL our fault need to research this a little. Even if it is not caused by us it can still spell destruction is what you are saying right?

[Ratwar]

nicknak said:

I get where you are coming and and I sort of agree. I am just saying that everyone who is saying its ALL our fault need to research this a little. Even if it is not caused by us it can still spell destruction is what you are saying right?

Yeah... Whether the sea is rising due to humans or something else ain't going to change the way it floods the coastline.

[nicknak]

ratwar said:

nicknak said:

I get where you are coming and and I sort of agree. I am just saying that everyone who is saying its ALL our fault need to research this a little. Even if it is not caused by us it can still spell destruction is what you are saying right?

Yeah... Whether the sea is rising due to humans or something else ain't going to change the way it floods the coastline.

However if it is natural cause(my belief) then there is little we can do about it anyways.