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Post by lulu on Aug 2, 2006 13:50:54 GMT -5
For those that haven't seen this film, it's about the President of the US getting in trouble and staging a fake war/conflict to distract the public from his real problems.
My question is, do you think it is possible that a war/conflict could be magistrated by an adminstration to distract the public and media from a real/current problem caused by an administration?
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Post by comike14 on Aug 2, 2006 14:28:05 GMT -5
Only in Hollywood...
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Post by Britney on Aug 2, 2006 15:01:57 GMT -5
For those that haven't seen this film, it's about the President of the US getting in trouble and staging a fake war/conflict to distract the public from his real problems. My question is, do you think it is possible that a war/conflict could be magistrated by an adminstration to distract the public and media from a real/current problem caused by an administration? Sure, why not? Although I think there would be more efficient and guaranteeable ways of distracting the public... because if a war goes sour, it only adds to the negative, and makes people look at who got us involved and why... whereas if the war goes well, noone cares... Ultimately I think they would be best served by fixing (or attempting to fix) whatever the problem is ASAP... that way when the problem is inevitably figured out, the proponents don't look so bad...
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Post by Slipper Eater on Aug 2, 2006 16:11:42 GMT -5
I call this thinking paranoia, because no government could be that stupid.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Aug 2, 2006 16:12:21 GMT -5
Its possible, I dont think its very practical though.
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Post by lulu on Aug 2, 2006 16:42:12 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about some major conspiracy in today's administration. Let me give a 'what if' example. The president has sexual relations in the oval office. In order to distract the public from this, a small 'conflict' breaks out in lets say, Kosovo. A small arms group is supposibly causing mayhen in a small village. Special forces come in and save the day, and the president's . Everyone forgets the president's little oval office experience and all the attention is then focused on this small, hardly covered by real media "conflict" in a Kosovo village. All staged to look real, with fake British, fake Russian and fake American journalists.
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Post by Hunessai on Aug 2, 2006 16:57:26 GMT -5
I don't think that they would do such a thing for that reason alone, but it would be a positive side-effect in starting and maintaining wars or "conflicts."
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Post by Britney on Aug 2, 2006 21:45:20 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about some major conspiracy in today's administration. Let me give a 'what if' example. The president has sexual relations in the oval office. In order to distract the public from this, a small 'conflict' breaks out in lets say, Kosovo. A small arms group is supposibly causing mayhen in a small village. Special forces come in and save the day, and the president's . Everyone forgets the president's little oval office experience and all the attention is then focused on this small, hardly covered by real media "conflict" in a Kosovo village. All staged to look real, with fake British, fake Russian and fake American journalists. Interesting fact about US involvement in Kosovo in 1999 is that the Republicans were the mass opposition while the Democrats were the supporters of taking action. The Republicans said the same exact things (almost word for word) about Kosovo in 1999 that the Democrats said about Iraq in 2003 (and vice versa). Talking past eachother on a monumental scale...
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Post by Leviticus on Aug 2, 2006 21:50:32 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about some major conspiracy in today's administration. Let me give a 'what if' example. The president has sexual relations in the oval office. In order to distract the public from this, a small 'conflict' breaks out in lets say, Kosovo. A small arms group is supposibly causing mayhen in a small village. Special forces come in and save the day, and the president's . Everyone forgets the president's little oval office experience and all the attention is then focused on this small, hardly covered by real media "conflict" in a Kosovo village. All staged to look real, with fake British, fake Russian and fake American journalists. There's no way it could happen this day in age. Christiana Amanpour would all over that! And she's no fake. -Levi
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Post by lucia on Aug 3, 2006 2:22:44 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists argue that was the cause of the London bombings. Blair's ratings were sinking.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Aug 3, 2006 2:35:20 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists argue that was the cause of the London bombings. Blair's ratings were sinking. Conspiracy theorists also argue that Bush is killing people off and replacing them with machines... ... Now think about that. Are conspiracy theorists people you would actually believe?
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Post by Slipper Eater on Aug 3, 2006 6:54:50 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists argue that was the cause of the London bombings. Blair's ratings were sinking. That is one conspiracy I do believe, and hey, it makes sense.
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Post by Hunessai on Aug 3, 2006 9:38:03 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists argue that was the cause of the London bombings. Blair's ratings were sinking. Conspiracy theorists also argue that Bush is killing people off and replacing them with machines... ... Now think about that. Are conspiracy theorists people you would actually believe? Not all "conspiracy theorists" accept all conspiracies as true. That's like saying that all religious people believe in Jesus. "Conspiracy" is a word with an undeserving negative connotation. Whether they are correct in their beliefs or not, they serve a good purpose: they open people's eyes to what is happening around them and give them doubts and questions. If everyone mindlessly accepted whatever the people in charge told them, the world would be a crappy place. (And a lot of people do, so the world is crappy.)
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Post by Ratwar on Aug 3, 2006 11:58:04 GMT -5
Nah, it wouldn't happen, mainly because it wouldn't really work. Look at former President Bush. The first Persian Gulf War didn't do to distract people from the failing economy. Most people vote with their wallet. Conspiracy theorists also argue that Bush is killing people off and replacing them with machines... ... Now think about that. Are conspiracy theorists people you would actually believe? Not all "conspiracy theorists" accept all conspiracies as true. That's like saying that all religious people believe in Jesus. "Conspiracy" is a word with an undeserving negative connotation. Whether they are correct in their beliefs or not, they serve a good purpose: they open people's eyes to what is happening around them and give them doubts and questions. If everyone mindlessly accepted whatever the people in charge told them, the world would be a crappy place. (And a lot of people do, so the world is crappy.) Well, I would argue that most conspiracy theorists are guilty of mindlessly following a conspiracy.
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Post by Muad'dib on Aug 3, 2006 12:27:10 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists argue that was the cause of the London bombings. Blair's ratings were sinking. And behind 9/11, don't forget that one. Both had training exercises about what would be done in the event such a thing would occur. Conspiracy theorists also argue that Bush is killing people off and replacing them with machines... ... Now think about that. Are conspiracy theorists people you would actually believe? Thats as outright dense as all gamers kill people. Congrats
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Aug 3, 2006 20:05:45 GMT -5
QFT. However, it's hard not to think of them when you hear the word 'conspiracy'.
What I said or what that group of theorists believe? Because, to the best of my knowledge, I'm flesh and blood, not a machine.
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Post by Muad'dib on Aug 3, 2006 20:11:49 GMT -5
What you said. The belief you can lump the ideology of all conspiracy theorists into one thing, is like having the idea that all gamers kill people.
Both premises fail the moment they become spoken word, and not innane thought.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Aug 4, 2006 3:27:13 GMT -5
That's true, I apologize.
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Post by Muad'dib on Aug 4, 2006 11:37:11 GMT -5
Its cool, its just I tend to get a bit uptight about it from seeing it so many places and hearing so many people
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