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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 20, 2006 19:44:01 GMT -5
Maybe it well get another chance with the next president? Im not too sure on the law on passing bills, or trying to pass them, but Im pretty sure the next president wont veto it when most of the country is in favour of it.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 20, 2006 20:11:50 GMT -5
Cthulhu will veto it. Remember? Cthulhu is anti-Everything slightly helpful.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 20, 2006 22:48:28 GMT -5
What has happened to the debat guild? Last few days discusion has been slow.
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Post by morty14 on Jul 20, 2006 23:12:18 GMT -5
I think it's great. He stands up for what he believes in despite his downfall in the polls, warfare, and speech impedement etc. and that deserves the upmost respect. Even if I was an athiest I would rather see a man stand up for what he believes in than give in to others. It's kind of like an adult version of school if you think about. But from my p.o.v to take life an "possibly" make on better is not right at all. Even if it was 100% that it'd work, I still wouldn't support it. That's not what our Presidents are supposed to do. They are representing the people not themselves. If we wanted a person who only used his own opinions on the issues, we'd have a dictator run our country. We have a president. He is supposed to reflect the will of the people. In every circumstance? No. But when the overwhelming majority wants something to happen, it should.
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 20, 2006 23:28:49 GMT -5
I think it's great. He stands up for what he believes in despite his downfall in the polls, warfare, and speech impedement etc. and that deserves the upmost respect. Even if I was an athiest I would rather see a man stand up for what he believes in than give in to others. It's kind of like an adult version of school if you think about. But from my p.o.v to take life an "possibly" make on better is not right at all. Even if it was 100% that it'd work, I still wouldn't support it. That's not what our Presidents are supposed to do. They are representing the people not themselves. If we wanted a person who only used his own opinions on the issues, we'd have a dictator run our country. We have a president. He is supposed to reflect the will of the people. In every circumstance? No. But when the overwhelming majority wants something to happen, it should. Show me where it says that in the Constitution, and I'll believe you.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 21, 2006 0:29:53 GMT -5
Show me where it says that in the Constitution, and I'll believe you. Just becuase its not set in stone doesnt mean it shouldnt happen. A democracy is supposed to be ruled by the people.
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Post by thaddius on Jul 21, 2006 0:43:58 GMT -5
Right and the government is not anything close to a democracy.
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 21, 2006 0:56:00 GMT -5
Show me where it says that in the Constitution, and I'll believe you. Just becuase its not set in stone doesnt mean it shouldnt happen. A democracy is supposed to be ruled by the people. That's why the US is a Republic my friend. The majority isn't always right.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 21, 2006 0:58:45 GMT -5
Just becuase its not set in stone doesnt mean it shouldnt happen. A democracy is supposed to be ruled by the people. That's why the US is a Republic my friend. The majority isn't always right. I dont live in the States, so I dont know these things, I live in a democracy.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 21, 2006 1:09:48 GMT -5
Just becuase its not set in stone doesnt mean it shouldnt happen. A democracy is supposed to be ruled by the people. That's why the US is a Republic my friend. The majority isn't always right. Ah, the wonders of a Republican government... (Not the party, the type of government.)
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 21, 2006 1:10:19 GMT -5
That's why the US is a Republic my friend. The majority isn't always right. I dont live in the States, so I dont know these things, I live in a democracy. Canada is a Republic my friend...
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 9:12:50 GMT -5
I guess then, a Republic, more than a Democracy requires a good leader...
However, arguing about differences between a Republic and a Democracy probably will not get us very far. We ought to deal directly with the main issue.
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Post by morty14 on Jul 21, 2006 13:08:29 GMT -5
Show me where it says that in the Constitution, and I'll believe you. There are a lot of things that are considered part of the basis of our constitutional democracy that aren't specifically listed in the Constitution. And from what I've seen of this adminstration, what the Constitution does or doesn't say isn't of much importance anymore, anyway.
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 21, 2006 14:05:53 GMT -5
Show me where it says that in the Constitution, and I'll believe you. There are a lot of things that are considered part of the basis of our constitutional democracy that aren't specifically listed in the Constitution. And from what I've seen of this adminstration, what the Constitution does or doesn't say isn't of much importance anymore, anyway. Yep, and all those things are based on precident, your comment however is not.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 14:08:32 GMT -5
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 21, 2006 14:16:37 GMT -5
Ahhh, you mistook my comment. I believe morty14 was refering too executive powers such as the Cabinet, not powers that have been claimed by only one Administration... Oh, and if you ever even suggest that I support the Patriot Act again, I will track you down and kill you. Got it? (And if you really want an argument about it, I could claim that what we did to Japanese and German Americans during WW2 is probably worse than the Patriot Act)
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 14:32:42 GMT -5
Ratwar, I wasn't trying to suggest you are in favour of it. Not at all. I misinterpreted what you said as something more like "The actions of Bush shows a respect for the U.S Constitution" which is what worried me...
Wait, now you will want to track me down...
I know i've seen you say that you hate Bush so I don't actually think you agree with his policy or anything like that....
*Shuts up*
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 21, 2006 17:28:52 GMT -5
I dont live in the States, so I dont know these things, I live in a democracy. Canada is a Republic my friend... Thats not what I was tuaght in school thsi year. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
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Post by morty14 on Jul 21, 2006 17:29:11 GMT -5
Yep, and all those things are based on precident, your comment however is not. Acting with regard to the will of the people has no precident? Wow, what was I smoking during civics class...
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 21, 2006 17:59:51 GMT -5
Yep, and all those things are based on precident, your comment however is not. Acting with regard to the will of the people has no precident? Wow, what was I smoking during civics class... Probably something that was bad for you. There are plenty of examples of Presidential action without popular support.
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Post by morty14 on Jul 21, 2006 18:15:50 GMT -5
Probably something that was bad for you. There are plenty of examples of Presidential action without popular support. I'm aware of that. I didn't say our Presidents should always follow public opinion. If you'll kindly take a closer look at my previous post, it said no such thing. And there have been plenty of examples of Presidents overtly breaking our fundmental structure of what the executive branch can and cannot do, by written law or unwritten precident. Just because it has been done many times doesn't make it right.
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 22, 2006 13:41:13 GMT -5
but its not life.....and those embryos will never BE people. They'll be thrown out. The veto doesn't stop the production of embryos, it simply stops curing people who ARE real and ARE alive. If it wasn't for idiots thinking little balls of cells have souls, my cousin could be alive today. Idiots? Why would you insult someone personally and not their ideas. Just because someone doesn't believe what you do, doesn't make them an idiot, maybe their ideas from your point of view. Coming from an admin this is unusual.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 22, 2006 13:47:58 GMT -5
bigphatty, contrary to popular beliefs, just because you become an administrator or moderatory of a forum, you're still human. Still prone to the same opinions as before, and the same emotional response to the given topic in question.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 22, 2006 18:09:37 GMT -5
He still holds a good point. Attack the ideology. Not the person.
Or, in bigphatty terms: "Hate the sin, not the sinner."
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