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Post by Britney on Jun 1, 2006 18:02:09 GMT -5
Should the children of illegal aliens be allowed to attend American Public Schools?
On the one hand you could say that the children are stuck in the country probably not of their own free will and without any means to leave, and without being given the oppurtunity for an education they will likely grow up to be an tax burden on their surrounding community.
On the other hand you could say that since they are illegal they should be deported, or in the very least should not be entitled to what is solely provided for by taxpaying citizens. After all, allowing them access to education will give people more incentive to illegally enter the country.
What would you say? Which argument is more pursuasive to you?
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Post by thaddius on Jun 1, 2006 19:19:43 GMT -5
By all means no. If their families are not paying taxes then they should not be allowed to use public schools. If they are allowed, it is only hurting american citizens.
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Post by Britney on Jun 1, 2006 19:32:11 GMT -5
By all means no. If their families are not paying taxes then they should not be allowed to use public schools. If they are allowed, it is only hurting american citizens. The thing is though that even if they aren't allowed, it will still hurt American citizens, since as time goes on it grows increasingly unlikely for one with no education to contribute anything worthwhile to society. If these kids aren't given an education, they can't get an adequate job, and consequently end up costing taxpayers money when they either go on welfare or resort to crime. |
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jun 1, 2006 20:21:40 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to an education.
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Post by thaddius on Jun 1, 2006 20:24:25 GMT -5
I'm not saying that they do not have a right to an educations, I just beleive that they contribute to the funding of it.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jun 1, 2006 20:34:05 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to an education. |
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jun 1, 2006 20:52:09 GMT -5
I'm not saying that they do not have a right to an educations, I just beleive that they contribute to the funding of it. No arguements there. But, u cant fault a child for something their parents do. |
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Post by ShadowLynx on Jun 1, 2006 21:58:25 GMT -5
I reckon the children should be able to study in schools. But they come last in activities when teachers are choosing. If their parents paid their fees though it should be okay for them to study.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 2, 2006 2:31:40 GMT -5
Well, we are missing a step here. Whats stopping these "illegal aliens" from being citizens? And I assume the answer you will give is legislation. Which I say is weak at best.
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Post by PrettyBurn on Jun 2, 2006 13:10:24 GMT -5
Okay, I don't like spending tax payer's money on illegal aliens any more than anyone else, BUT:
As has already been said, you can't fault the children for their parents decisions AND
Isn't it mandatory for children to go to school until they are sixteen or something? Just because they are breaking one law, does that mean we can force them to break another? We have to encourage them to become legal in all ways, rather than trying to keep them from all sorts of legality.
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Post by Britney on Jun 2, 2006 13:41:47 GMT -5
Well, we are missing a step here. Whats stopping these "illegal aliens" from being citizens? And I assume the answer you will give is legislation. Which I say is weak at best. Did you ever consider that perhaps people choose not to apply for citizenship because they don't feel like paying taxes? Okay, I don't like spending tax payer's money on illegal aliens any more than anyone else, BUT: As has already been said, you can't fault the children for their parents decisions AND Isn't it mandatory for children to go to school until they are sixteen or something? Just because they are breaking one law, does that mean we can force them to break another? We have to encourage them to become legal in all ways, rather than trying to keep them from all sorts of legality. Not only is it mandatory for citizens, it is actually mandatory for children of illegal aliens as well. Public schools must accept the children of illegal aliens, nationwide. I'm surprised the Supreme Court ruled that way, but they did. |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 2, 2006 14:29:28 GMT -5
Did you ever consider that perhaps people choose not to apply for citizenship because they don't feel like paying taxes? I guess that whole exploitation by being paid less than the minimum wage sorta makes em bitter  I say fair play to em. |
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Post by thaddius on Jun 4, 2006 21:19:01 GMT -5
Not only is it mandatory for citizens, it is actually mandatory for children of illegal aliens as well. Public schools must accept the children of illegal aliens, nationwide. I'm surprised the Supreme Court ruled that way, but they did. Really? I surely would like to know what case that was. |
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Post by Britney on Jun 5, 2006 14:54:05 GMT -5
Not only is it mandatory for citizens, it is actually mandatory for children of illegal aliens as well. Public schools must accept the children of illegal aliens, nationwide. I'm surprised the Supreme Court ruled that way, but they did. Really? I surely would like to know what case that was. |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 5, 2006 15:14:20 GMT -5
I wonder if that is limited to Texas. That was 24 years ago. Very forward thinking of Texas. Very different than the typical portrayal thats depicted through whatever means I have had before.
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Post by Britney on Jun 5, 2006 16:16:10 GMT -5
I wonder if that is limited to Texas. That was 24 years ago. Very forward thinking of Texas. Very different than the typical portrayal thats depicted through whatever means I have had before. Yea I'm surprised too. Especially seeing it was back in the 80's. Because this case held children to be a "suspect class", other states can only bar children from public schools if their legislation passes strict scrutiny (i.e. the constitutional rights of any "suspect class" can be infringed upon by state legislation just so long as that legislation serves a "compelling state interest"). Of course, nearly all cases that are subject to strict scrutiny result in the state losing, since it is nearly always impossible to provide any evidence that discriminating against an entire group of people serves a "compelling state interest". |
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jun 5, 2006 22:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 6, 2006 3:32:24 GMT -5
The fact that they aren't citizens is what allows them to be exploited in such a way, becuase threats of deportation can be made and they have no legal recourse. So being bitter about not getting the minimum wage is only a reason to become a citizen. Valid point, indeed. But according to my sources, its pretty hard for immigrants to to obtain citizenship other than a temporary work visa. Of course, my sources may be wrong, but... |
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Jun 6, 2006 6:23:19 GMT -5
Well, there are quotas that limit how many can get in each year, and they do have to demonstrate a decent knowledge of english and a rather large knowledge of our government (I took this test in 4th grade I think, and only just passed, but they give them a lot of time to study). It may not be that easy, but you do it if it's worth it to you.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 6, 2006 6:56:58 GMT -5
Well, there are quotas that limit how many can get in each year, and they do have to demonstrate a decent knowledge of english and a rather large knowledge of our government (I took this test in 4th grade I think, and only just passed, but they give them a lot of time to study). It may not be that easy, but you do it if it's worth it to you. Well, I can't really argue against that system. |
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 5, 2006 19:25:29 GMT -5
Isn't it mandatory for children to go to school until they are sixteen or something? Just because they are breaking one law, does that mean we can force them to break another? We have to encourage them to become legal in all ways, rather than trying to keep them from all sorts of legality. Where'd you hear that? I haven't been in public school for years, and I'm 15. I'm homeschooled. |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 7, 2006 12:02:43 GMT -5
Well, i'm not sure how homeschooling is set up, but obviously thats allowed, i'd imagine.
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Post by morty14 on Jul 7, 2006 18:51:07 GMT -5
Absolutely not. No giving incentives and rewards to people breaking our laws. Sorry, stuff like that doesn't sit well with me.
Have your world government enforce that Mr. Wilson.
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