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Post by Britney on May 24, 2006 16:07:51 GMT -5
Should non-citizens be allowed to join the police force, or should people be governed only by their citizen-peers?
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Post by Muad'dib on May 24, 2006 16:34:30 GMT -5
Do not immigrants become citizens when they are given the same rights? Are they not eligible to any position any other person from said country can have?
It ain't Morrowind with its great houses we are talking about.
Would you argue that they shouldn't? Normally, people posting a topic of this nature would give some argument as to how this could possibly be considered valid. To those with any bit of common sense, and moral decency.
So there is no argument, nothing to counter, except how pointless it is to ask a question that will only show two groups; brainwashed people, and compassionate people.
Capitalism would have itself try to feed a racist attitude.
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on May 24, 2006 20:52:49 GMT -5
I think so if:
They have been a citizen for a long period of time without any form of criminal record for say, 5 years.
If they can pass cop school.
@newbzilla: This aint never never land we are talking about either, the world aint a perfect little fairy land where children laugh and play with gum drop smiles. If you let any old joe walk into your country and have him instantly become some sort of authority figure, especialy with things like different cultures with their rules and how easy corruption in the force can be, eventualy you are going to have problems. Its best to be 100% safe rather than sorry.
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Post by morty14 on May 24, 2006 20:58:17 GMT -5
Psst...she said "non-citizens" not "new citizens." Your post is fairly irrelvant to the question. On topic: No, absolutely not. If you aren't even a citizen, how can we possibly have you enforcing the laws of the nation, state, and local area? It would be ridiculous to allow that, only citizens should be police officers. |
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on May 24, 2006 21:04:52 GMT -5
Oh, non citizen... No non citizens shouldnt be cops, thats just STUPID.
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Post by Ratwar on May 24, 2006 21:22:37 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see why not.
If someone has a clean record and can pass cop school, why should citizenship matter? The police aren't the ones that convict people, that's the job of the jury. If they can prove that they know the laws of this country, why should we worry about citizenship?
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Post by mastab on May 24, 2006 21:22:49 GMT -5
Should non-citizens be allowed to join the police force, or should people be governed only by their citizen-peers? An illegal immigrant you mean? No way, Jose. Shouldn't be given any jobs in the US. A naturalized citizen, yes. If they can pass the tests, training, and all that bubber flubber. |
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Post by Muad'dib on May 25, 2006 2:35:28 GMT -5
Well, considering the law, HR4437 or something... I think thats what its called... America is pretty damn fast to remove immigrants by deportation... So for that reason, non-citizens are more likely to be deported than to be given a chance in the "land of the free."
Its funny how companies go to exploit workers in places where labour is cheap, but workers in these areas can not go to areas where jobs are more plentiful.
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Post by Twitchmonkey on May 25, 2006 2:56:52 GMT -5
No, non-citizens shouldn't be given any jobs.
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Post by olin on May 25, 2006 4:21:04 GMT -5
No, non-citizens aren't even allowed to work without green cards, why the hell should they be allowed to "protect and serve"
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Post by Muad'dib on May 25, 2006 4:53:12 GMT -5
No, non-citizens shouldn't be given any jobs. Ever heard of Metro Goldwyn? Founder of that was an illegal immigrant. Lots of famous American comedians were/are, too. I think its a very unusual approach to be from a country which was founded by raping and pillaging an entire culture of people (Native Americans) and this attitude of deportation being the best thing. Actually, sickening may be a more apt word. |
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Post by Britney on May 25, 2006 10:20:02 GMT -5
Do not immigrants become citizens when they are given the same rights? Are they not eligible to any position any other person from said country can have? It ain't Morrowind with its great houses we are talking about. Would you argue that they shouldn't? Normally, people posting a topic of this nature would give some argument as to how this could possibly be considered valid. To those with any bit of common sense, and moral decency. So there is no argument, nothing to counter, except how pointless it is to ask a question that will only show two groups; brainwashed people, and compassionate people. Capitalism would have itself try to feed a racist attitude. Actually, noncitizens are not legally allowed to be on the police force. |
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Post by darkhelmet on May 25, 2006 11:41:13 GMT -5
No, I think in general it's a bad idea. The Bush Administration didn't send thousands of American police officers to Iraq, as proposed by some in the military, because they didn't want to offend the Iraqi citizenry. Not a great idea in retrospect, but the reasoning makes sense.
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Post by Ratwar on May 25, 2006 12:15:12 GMT -5
No, I think in general it's a bad idea. The Bush Administration didn't send thousands of American police officers to Iraq, as proposed by some in the military, because they didn't want to offend the Iraqi citizenry. Not a great idea in retrospect, but the reasoning makes sense. Yes, but the US is a very different country than Iraq. We have quite a few large ethnic groups. In Iraq, there is only 3, the Kurds, Shitte, and Sunni. Iraq isn't a country of immigrants. The US is. Also, we aren't basically under foreign occupation. I wouldn't feel comfortable if the majority of our police force was foreign, but even in Iraq, the force is sprinkled with American advicers and trainers. I see no reason why a few legal immigrants shou ldn't be able to take police jobs, especially since the state of the police accross America sucks balls. |
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on May 25, 2006 12:36:48 GMT -5
I say they should be allowed to if they can spead english, and are trying to become citizens. I mean, the USAA allows forieners to join the Army and become citizens after thier 3 years of service. Why shouldnt the american people trust a foriener to protect and serve, when their trusting a foriener with the defence of the nation?
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Post by Twitchmonkey on May 25, 2006 17:44:20 GMT -5
I say they should be allowed to if they can spead english, and are trying to become citizens. I mean, the USAA allows forieners to join the Army and become citizens after thier 3 years of service. Why shouldnt the american people trust a foriener to protect and serve, when their trusting a foriener with the defence of the nation? I don't think they should do either until they're citizens. |
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Post by PrettyBurn on May 25, 2006 18:19:35 GMT -5
I say they should be allowed to if they can spead english, and are trying to become citizens. I mean, the USAA allows forieners to join the Army and become citizens after thier 3 years of service. Why shouldnt the american people trust a foriener to protect and serve, when their trusting a foriener with the defence of the nation? I don't trust certain citizens with defense of the nation... |
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Post by Muad'dib on May 26, 2006 4:26:03 GMT -5
I don't trust certain citizens with defense of the nation... If by that you mean people born from other countries, then yay for stereotypical, prejudiced hatred! |
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Post by darkhelmet on May 26, 2006 9:16:30 GMT -5
I don't trust certain citizens with defense of the nation... If by that you mean people born from other countries, then yay for stereotypical, prejudiced hatred! That's pretty unfair, jumping to conclusions like that, wouldn't you say?  |
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Post by PrettyBurn on May 26, 2006 11:42:59 GMT -5
I don't trust certain citizens with defense of the nation... If by that you mean people born from other countries, then yay for stereotypical, prejudiced hatred! Umm... no. I meant people born in this nation, to nice upper/middle class families, who went to a good school and got a good education and then decided that they were somehow qualified to make the wrong decisions for the entire country. And the people who thought that this was a good idea in the first place. |
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Post by Ratwar on May 26, 2006 12:40:17 GMT -5
If by that you mean people born from other countries, then yay for stereotypical, prejudiced hatred! Umm... no. I meant people born in this nation, to nice upper/middle class families, who went to a good school and got a good education and then decided that they were somehow qualified to make the wrong decisions for the entire country. And the people who thought that this was a good idea in the first place. Hahahaha... |
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Post by Kained But Able on May 27, 2006 10:00:19 GMT -5
Sure they should be allowed. So long as they understand the laws of the country and adhere to them themselves then why shouldn't they?
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Post by Slipper Eater on May 27, 2006 14:07:26 GMT -5
It depends, if they're going to become a citizen then sure - why not? If they're from another country [i'e, England] and looking for experience and they pass the tests then why not?
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Post by Twitchmonkey on May 28, 2006 0:44:59 GMT -5
Sure they should be allowed. So long as they understand the laws of the country and adhere to them themselves then why shouldn't they? The fact that they're here and not a citizen shows that they don't fit at least one of those 2 requirements, unless of course they're in the process of becoming a citizen, in which case I think they could attend the police academy while they wait for everything to go through. |
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Post by Ratwar on May 28, 2006 0:57:04 GMT -5
Sure they should be allowed. So long as they understand the laws of the country and adhere to them themselves then why shouldn't they? The fact that they're here and not a citizen shows that they don't fit at least one of those 2 requirements, unless of course they're in the process of becoming a citizen, in which case I think they could attend the police academy while they wait for everything to go through. You do know that there are perfectly legal immigrants here not in the process of becoming a citizen, right? |
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