Islam conducive to Violence?

[darkhelmet]

Ok, so in the last ten years we've seen massive riots in France by Islamic/Muslim youth, we've seen bombings in England, France, and the United States, we've seen countless acts of terrorism. And now, apparently, thousands of people are violently protesting against... ready? ... cartoons satirizing Muhammad.

Now I can see why you'd be upset with this. He's a holy figure. But Jesus action figures, cartoons ridiculing Christians, and the like have been made, and I see no people rioting in the streets and shooting guns at embassies. So... what's wrong with people over there?

Is something wrong with Islam?

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[Mumble]

While the riots in France weren't really all their fault. The government of france tends to have a certain underlying racism in it's administration. People who aren't french in origin often get pushed to the sidelines and have little ability to help themselves, therefore, riot.

Ah, what an interesting topic. I would write more if I didn't have an exam in an hour. I'll be back later though.

Good Stuff DH

[Hunessai]

There are radical, violent people everywhere, in every religion. I wouldn't pin anything specifically on Islam.

[mastab]

Sense of humor depends on which culture you are from. Obviously their's doesn't have one similar to ours. Let's hope they don't get South Park there

It's crazy(by our standards), they're burning down embassies and storming american bases..... jeez.

[ExtraCheeZ]

People wonder where racial stereotypes come from *shakes head*

But still, these guys arent the only people who commit violent act, they are just the ones who the media decides to show...

[Mumble]

I seems to be more an issue of cultural tension. We need to keep in mind what the current social state is where this violence is happening. Certainly muslims in North America don't riot for such reasons.

I don't think it is an issue of the religion itself, but the culture and area it is based in.

[illicit]

Hunessai said:

There are radical, violent people everywhere, in every religion. I wouldn't pin anything specifically on Islam.

You wouldnt, but thats the blame, the whole religion of Islam is sadly screwed up horribly. In the Koran they are TOLD to go kill "infidels", they are TOLD to Jihad against Christians and Jews, a true Islamic person hates jews and christians because the Koran tells them to. Islam is now a peaceful religion, any thinking of that sort is sadly ignorant. Oh, and the cartoons are bad because they show Mohammed, not neccesarily what is happening, but it says in the Koran NEVER to use Mohammed in any pictures.

[mastab]

You claimed the Koran says many things I do not beleive it does. Support your claims of what the Koran preaches with links and such.

[illicit]

mastab said:

You claimed the Koran says many things I do not beleive it does. Support your claims of what the Koran preaches with links and such.

The women
"the unbelievers are your open enemy."
The examinded one
"do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Apostle and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path."
The accesions
"We destroyed them on account of their faults and We drowned Firon's people,"
The childred of Isreal
"And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."
"So he desired to destroy them out of the earth, but We drowned him and those with him all together"
The distinction
"We gave examples and every one did We destroy with utter destruction."

That enough? I am tired of reading this blasphemy.

[mastab]

Thank you, that's all I asked for. Those seem rather straight forward, but remember that all holly books are open to perception. The Bible says similar things, but not so direct.

[Twitchmonkey]

And are these quotes from the Koran? Or from a website posting things supposedly said in the Koran? Also, these do not neccesarily represent the message of the Koran, just as Leviticus doesn't accurately represent the code of ethics of modern christians completely. These may also be taken out of context. Unless you've actually read the Koran and not just small bits I don't think you're in any place to pass judgement.

I personally do not believe a religion with such a violent meaning would be so widely accepted today. Also, most Mulsims are not bad people. I think what we're most likely seeing a is a group of people bastardizing the Koranand proclaiming it as the actual truth of the book.

[thaddius]

Although there is alot of violence coming from Islamic communities, I suppose that it has more to do with their governments than religion. With their current governments, they do not have enough military strength or clout to challenge anything that the United States and Europe does. It is their form of an army.

illicit said:

mastab said:

You claimed the Koran says many things I do not beleive it does. Support your claims of what the Koran preaches with links and such.

[snip]
That enough? I am tired of reading this blasphemy.

First off, I would like for you to cite the verses which that came from; I suspect that it has been altered, abridged, taken out of context or completely fabricated.

By the way, If you had known something about Islam, you would know that the Koran dictates that Muslims be good to "the people of the book" (jews and christians) unless their faith was threatened. Having our country supporting Israel, and stationing our army in the Persian gulf is taken as a large threat towards their culture.

[ExtraCheeZ]

illicit said:

mastab said:

You claimed the Koran says many things I do not beleive it does. Support your claims of what the Koran preaches with links and such.

The women
"the unbelievers are your open enemy."
The examinded one
"do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Apostle and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path."
The accesions
"We destroyed them on account of their faults and We drowned Firon's people,"
The childred of Isreal
"And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."
"So he desired to destroy them out of the earth, but We drowned him and those with him all together"
The distinction
"We gave examples and every one did We destroy with utter destruction."

That enough? I am tired of reading this blasphemy.

Sounds like the old testament of the bible to me.

If you took every bad thing out of the bible you would be the same as the koran, how about you try and read both before you make a ignorent naccesistic judgement like always?

[Muad'dib]

"Oh, if Christians can take mocking of their religion. Everyone should."

Sorry, if thats your sentiment, DH, I have to disagree.

[darkhelmet]

It's not my sentiment at all, actually. Just an example I thought I'd use. I really don't know myself. At first, after 9/11, I thought "Damn, something wrong with these people". Then I read a bit of the Quran, and their practices, and decided there wasn't anything wrong with it. But now, after recent events, I'm wondering what causes these huge outbreaks of violence? Religion? Society?

[eek]

It's how their society uses religion. Remember the Crusades? Not everyone's interpretation of the Bible, but some saw it that way. This is the same idea.

Just today, Abu Hamza has been sentenced to 7 years in prison for spreading messages of hate and violence, using religion as a "justification", so to speak, for killing. He encouraged British Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Now, I'm not sure if the Koran tells Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't follow it's ways, but I guess when you have people that interpret it that way, then it will happen.

[illicit]

eek said:

It's how their society uses religion. Remember the Crusades? Not everyone's interpretation of the Bible, but some saw it that way. This is the same idea.

Just today, Abu Hamza has been sentenced to 7 years in prison for spreading messages of hate and violence, using religion as a "justification", so to speak, for killing. He encouraged British Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Now, I'm not sure if the Koran tells Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't follow it's ways, but I guess when you have people that interpret it that way, then it will happen.

If you read my posts it said that, it also said about killing those with the easier lives and how they follow the devil(America).

[eek]

illicit said:

eek said:

It's how their society uses religion. Remember the Crusades? Not everyone's interpretation of the Bible, but some saw it that way. This is the same idea.

Just today, Abu Hamza has been sentenced to 7 years in prison for spreading messages of hate and violence, using religion as a "justification", so to speak, for killing. He encouraged British Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Now, I'm not sure if the Koran tells Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't follow it's ways, but I guess when you have people that interpret it that way, then it will happen.

If you read my posts it said that, it also said about killing those with the easier lives and how they follow the devil(America).

Your posts are not a first-hand source (the Koran itself). In fact, you haven't even told us what your source is.

[illicit]

eek said:

illicit said:

If you read my posts it said that, it also said about killing those with the easier lives and how they follow the devil(America).

Your posts are not a first-hand source (the Koran itself). In fact, you haven't even told us what your source is.

Do you think imma get out the actually koran and look around for these things? Hell no I got it from an online koran.

[Mumble]

illicit said:

eek said:

It's how their society uses religion. Remember the Crusades? Not everyone's interpretation of the Bible, but some saw it that way. This is the same idea.

Just today, Abu Hamza has been sentenced to 7 years in prison for spreading messages of hate and violence, using religion as a "justification", so to speak, for killing. He encouraged British Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Now, I'm not sure if the Koran tells Muslims to kill anyone who doesn't follow it's ways, but I guess when you have people that interpret it that way, then it will happen.

If you read my posts it said that, it also said about killing those with the easier lives and how they follow the devil(America).

Well those easier lives are at the expense of most of the rest of the world. I'd be pissed off to.

[illicit]

Actually our life is beneficial to everyone, easy trading, support from the government, support from private citizens.

[eek]

illicit said:

eek said:

Your posts are not a first-hand source (the Koran itself). In fact, you haven't even told us what your source is.

Do you think imma get out the actually koran and look around for these things? Hell no I got it from an online koran.

Link please?

[ExtraCheeZ]

Yes but the easy trading and low prices come from exploiting those less fortunate then us from other countries, because they dont want as much pay.

[illicit]

eek said:

illicit said:

Do you think imma get out the actually koran and look around for these things? Hell no I got it from an online koran.

Link please?

www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

[ExtraCheeZ]

In responce to your selected koran scriptures, do you remember babylon? or noahs ark? or maybe sodom?

Thats just 3 of the easy ones I remember off my head. God slaughtered millions of people because they "lost their way".

...oh wait... islam worships the same god christianity does...