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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 8:16:02 GMT -5
It's not anyone's decision other than God's. Flame away if you must. That's just how I see it.
But from an athiest point of view, I'd say it should be up to the person. but that is a BIG hypothetical for me so.....
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 18, 2006 8:56:35 GMT -5
If I'm ever in a coma for more than ten years, I want the plug pulled. I feel my unconscious body would be taking up space and hospital resources which would be better used on someone with a chance of recovery. Why wait 10 years? It's not anyone's decision other than God's. Flame away if you must. That's just how I see it. But from an athiest point of view, I'd say it should be up to the person. but that is a BIG hypothetical for me so..... So, you think a life as a vegetable is a life?
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 8:59:40 GMT -5
So, you think a life as a vegetable is a life? No it's not and to be held alive by machines is wrong IMO. If they can't survive without machines they shouldn't be alive.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 18, 2006 9:07:13 GMT -5
Ok, thats fair enough.
Ok, say someone has 6 months to live, and they are going to live in constant pain in that, but don't need machine support, and wanted to be put out of their misery.
Would you allow that?
Or, if not, would you allow them to take something like marijuana to alleviate pain? (This is offtopic, but i'd like to hear your response if you wouldn't allow the one above.)
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Post by bigphatty on Jul 18, 2006 9:15:33 GMT -5
Ok, thats fair enough. Ok, say someone has 6 months to live, and they are going to live in constant pain in that, but don't need machine support, and wanted to be put out of their misery. Would you allow that? Or, if not, would you allow them to take something like marijuana to alleviate pain? (This is offtopic, but i'd like to hear your response if you wouldn't allow the one above.) No I would not allow anyone to kill them, not even myself. Their time will come wehn it does it's God's will. Yes I would allow them to smoke marijuana, they would enjoy the relief of pain and the fun side-effects
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jul 18, 2006 9:20:12 GMT -5
You don't have to know someone in that position. Think if you were in a coma, with a 10% chance you'd get out of it, and a 5% chance you'd be functional if you did, would you want the plug pulled? Coma? wouldnt realy care. What I would care about is those diseases that make you completely paralised, but still be able to feel. So all you do is lay in bed all day and night with your bedsores aching constantly. While you are just a prisoner in your own body... Every waking minute going on for years on end of pure boredom and suffering with no purpose to life. Thats when I would want euthanasia.
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Post by comike14 on Jul 18, 2006 9:24:23 GMT -5
God gave us free will for a reason. To deny that we can decide to end our own lives without penalty would say that God in fact didn't give us the free will to make decisions that he promise, thus proving him wrong and calling him a liar. God cannot be wrong, however. Reconcile that one with religious beliefs, if you want.
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jul 18, 2006 9:35:43 GMT -5
God gave us free will for a reason. To deny that we can decide to end our own lives without penalty would say that God in fact didn't give us the free will to make decisions that he promise, thus proving him wrong and calling him a liar. God cannot be wrong, however. Reconcile that one with religious beliefs, if you want. It is also a mortal sin to commit suicide. Not only that, god gave you life and he doesnt want you destroying it. Euthanasia is agaisnt god, anyone who wants it or partakes in it is likely to be punished for it.
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Post by comike14 on Jul 18, 2006 9:39:11 GMT -5
God gave us free will for a reason. To deny that we can decide to end our own lives without penalty would say that God in fact didn't give us the free will to make decisions that he promise, thus proving him wrong and calling him a liar. God cannot be wrong, however. Reconcile that one with religious beliefs, if you want. It is also a mortal sin to commit suicide. Not only that, god gave you life and he doesnt want you destroying it. Euthanasia is agaisnt god, anyone who wants it or partakes in it is likely to be punished for it. Why would an all-loving God do such a thing? Why would he condemn any of his companions to an eternity of damnation for any deed done? This is where religion gets in the way of reality. There IS a reality, but religion clouds the truths in dogma and fear.
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jul 18, 2006 9:51:04 GMT -5
It is also a mortal sin to commit suicide. Not only that, god gave you life and he doesnt want you destroying it. Euthanasia is agaisnt god, anyone who wants it or partakes in it is likely to be punished for it. Why would an all-loving God do such a thing? Why would he condemn any of his companions to an eternity of damnation for any deed done? This is where religion gets in the way of reality. There IS a reality, but religion clouds the truths in dogma and fear. Because god is spitefull, jelouse, controlling and petty. Plus he has a plan for everyone.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 18, 2006 9:55:40 GMT -5
No I would not allow anyone to kill them, not even myself. Their time will come wehn it does it's God's will. Yes I would allow them to smoke marijuana, they would enjoy the relief of pain and the fun side-effects I'd be all for peoples rights to do whatever, so i'd say they should be allowed their choice of both... Even at the same time Coma? wouldnt realy care. Main reason for me, that i'd want the plug pulled is i'd not want to be a waste of resources. Plus, i'd not like to "live" if that was life. Oh, yes, I totally agree there too.
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jul 18, 2006 10:37:43 GMT -5
The only reason why I say I would not care Muad is because I would either be dreaming or completely unconcious, so how would I know that was life?
However, your waste of recources argument is valid. There is always that to consider.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 18, 2006 18:35:32 GMT -5
You don't have to know someone in that position. Think if you were in a coma, with a 10% chance you'd get out of it, and a 5% chance you'd be functional if you did, would you want the plug pulled? Coma? wouldnt realy care. What I would care about is those diseases that make you completely paralised, but still be able to feel. So all you do is lay in bed all day and night with your bedsores aching constantly. While you are just a prisoner in your own body... Every waking minute going on for years on end of pure boredom and suffering with no purpose to life. Thats when I would want euthanasia. I'm extremely terrified of that. However I still wouldn't kill myself. As the prophet of Nena, I have to live on, not only for myself-- but for others aswell. To take my own is a selfish act.
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Post by redyellow on Jul 23, 2006 7:39:55 GMT -5
Only if the person dying wants it to happen, it shouldn't happen like this under any other circumstance.
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