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Post by yawmwen on Oct 18, 2005 17:15:20 GMT -5
Vegetative state is different, although they need to have a written will. If they are going to be in a vegetative state the rest of their lives they have to have a written will? I'm split on the middle of the road on this one. Like, I know the problem in hospitals is the lack of room for new patients. And my point was that as population rises, so will the amount of people in hospitals. These people arent necessarily the new born. Take the population of 6 billion. Now think of how many people frequent hospitals, without considering time basis. Now imagine if the population was double that. More people in hospitals, more strain on the staff, etc. If there is nothing that can be done for a person, like a person in a coma for a certail length of time - theres a time that is usual for how long they'd be in for, though I wont hazard a guess as to what that number is. Euthanisation is not essential now by any respect. Choosing what to do for ourselves is still a right. And I think that the government has no right to stand in our way at all. How could they? Bigger population means bigger hospitals. More people would be able to work there, bigger staff. Bigger building, so it might actually be better, as they might make a bigger long term building that gives patients more room for a few years
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Post by thaddius on Oct 18, 2005 17:17:56 GMT -5
If they are going to be in a vegetative state the rest of their lives they have to have a written will? I'm split on the middle of the road on this one. Like, I know the problem in hospitals is the lack of room for new patients. And my point was that as population rises, so will the amount of people in hospitals. These people arent necessarily the new born. Take the population of 6 billion. Now think of how many people frequent hospitals, without considering time basis. Now imagine if the population was double that. More people in hospitals, more strain on the staff, etc. If there is nothing that can be done for a person, like a person in a coma for a certail length of time - theres a time that is usual for how long they'd be in for, though I wont hazard a guess as to what that number is. Euthanisation is not essential now by any respect. Choosing what to do for ourselves is still a right. And I think that the government has no right to stand in our way at all. How could they? Bigger population means bigger hospitals. More people would be able to work there, bigger staff. Bigger building, so it might actually be better, as they might make a bigger long term building that gives patients more room for a few years Is that possible or sustainable in a world of dwindling resources?
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Post by Hunessai on Oct 18, 2005 17:40:04 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by TheStranger on Oct 18, 2005 20:07:32 GMT -5
Bigger population means bigger hospitals. More people would be able to work there, bigger staff. Bigger building, so it might actually be better, as they might make a bigger long term building that gives patients more room for a few years Finite resources that will be used for housing. They are already cutting down trees for that endeavour. They would need more schools, too and bigger. As population grows, all these things will too. Grocery stores, even. As it stands, the hospitals arent plenty enough, or large enough to cater for demand in realistic terms. But I suppose we get by. I dont see things getting better any time soon.
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Post by Justice on Jul 17, 2006 15:13:48 GMT -5
I agree with it
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Post by thaddius on Jul 17, 2006 15:22:02 GMT -5
There is only one possible problem I can see with it, that being people forceably euthanised due to phyiscal/mental faults. Such as people becoming indifferent to the idea of killing someone in such manor and when there is a strain on resources something of that sort might come up.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 17, 2006 15:25:12 GMT -5
But, thats going from euthanasia, to murder.
Which is against the very thing all medical science holds valid.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 17, 2006 17:38:25 GMT -5
Let's stop using the terms Pro-Life and Anti-Life and such. It's a silly title, everyone's for Life. No one's really against life. The question is to decide who is for Euthanasia, and who is against.
Forced Euthanasia, in my opinion, is (Lookit me, I'm violating Godwin's law) toeing the line of Germany from 1934-1945. However, voluntary is Okiday.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 17, 2006 17:41:45 GMT -5
I definitely think that euthanasia should be allowed, a person, at the moment they decide it, should be allowed to have someone end their life.
Though, did I hear right when I heard people say that suicide is a crime? It sounds stupid, but, hey, legislation isn't always the smartest of things.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 17, 2006 17:43:37 GMT -5
Haha, In DuetscheYurnia, the punishment for successful suicide is death! Also, guys, just to edit: Why is the topic of... Abtreilung... coming up here? Let's keep that to another thread, because this sounds interesting. No sense ruining a good thread with dead kiddos.
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Post by eek on Jul 17, 2006 18:07:57 GMT -5
I'd like to see a legal document of sorts, almost like a will. It would basically say "if I reach a [blah blah blah] state or level of dependancy, pull the plug"... or something along those lines.
I doubt it would happen, though.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 17, 2006 18:30:30 GMT -5
I think it does happen in certain parts of the world.
I think what you meant was in relation to Scotland? Now, if thats the case, I really am not sure how likely Scottish legislation is to change, assuming the legislation is how i'd assume it is now.
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Post by eek on Jul 17, 2006 18:39:15 GMT -5
Nah, just in general. I've never heard of it, so I assumed it didn't happen.
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Post by ExtraCheeZ on Jul 17, 2006 18:57:22 GMT -5
I agree with euthanasia, its a good thing. However for it to be legal it would have to be HEAVILY regulated. Otherwise people with the flue would be like " this" *pow*
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 17, 2006 19:10:12 GMT -5
So, it should be up to us who is sick enough to be allowed to have their life ended?
Personally, I think if one is of the legal conditions to meet a contract (over 18, not drunk, or high on drugs, not insane, etc.) that they should be allowed to voluntarily say "Yeah, shows over guys, i'm packing my bags, and sayin goodbye, though you gotta help."
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Post by kyushiseri on Jul 17, 2006 22:17:08 GMT -5
My initial reaction is to say "no," because the only people I've known who wanted to end their life wanted to do so for silly reasons (my girlfriend broke up with, etc.). But if someone had a terminal illness and/or was in anguish, my opinion might change. However, since I've never known anyone with a terminal illness, I can't say for sure what my opinion.
I'll say I'm undecided.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 17, 2006 22:21:06 GMT -5
You don't have to know someone in that position. Think if you were in a coma, with a 10% chance you'd get out of it, and a 5% chance you'd be functional if you did, would you want the plug pulled?
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Post by kyushiseri on Jul 17, 2006 22:36:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I think I would. In that situation, I guess it's okay. But I'm still against it for something like being depressed after a breakup. Heck, I'm against it for depression in general, since there's a fairly decent chance that depression can be cured.
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Post by mastab on Jul 17, 2006 23:20:55 GMT -5
My initial reaction is to say "no," because the only people I've known who wanted to end their life wanted to do so for silly reasons (my girlfriend broke up with, etc.). But if someone had a terminal illness and/or was in anguish, my opinion might change. However, since I've never known anyone with a terminal illness, I can't say for sure what my opinion. I'll say I'm undecided. I say, let 'em die. Suicide is not a crime, why stop it? And lock people up for trying to do it? If you want to die, die. Who am I to say you can't die? My beliefs, religious, political, morale, or other wise do not hold any weight over your life, so go die! Yup, I'm an anarchist. Oh, and on another note we can't blame all our troubles on Chinese childeren. EDIT: Missunderstood the question, ya go ahead and kill me. What have I ever done for you any way?
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 17, 2006 23:29:52 GMT -5
I look at this much like I do abortion - legislate against it, and it will be done illegally.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 17, 2006 23:55:36 GMT -5
You don't have to know someone in that position. Think if you were in a coma, with a 10% chance you'd get out of it, and a 5% chance you'd be functional if you did, would you want the plug pulled? Nope.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 18, 2006 0:05:42 GMT -5
gold, would you say someone else has the right to say they should though?
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Post by lucia on Jul 18, 2006 0:30:02 GMT -5
Morally, yes. Legally there'd need to be a lot of provisions to prevent false euthanasia homicides.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 18, 2006 1:57:21 GMT -5
gold, would you say someone else has the right to say they should though? Sure, go ahead. They are only taking their life. I'm just responding to the question at hand.
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Post by pilaf on Jul 18, 2006 3:40:36 GMT -5
If I'm ever in a coma for more than ten years, I want the plug pulled. I feel my unconscious body would be taking up space and hospital resources which would be better used on someone with a chance of recovery.
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