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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Apr 18, 2006 5:27:26 GMT -5
I will attempt to make this much shorter, and to the point than my usual threads. I'll also try and not include myself in any examples, or my own sexuality, as to stay 'neutral' on this thread.
Well I've seen many debates searching around, seen many Pro-Anti gay, and Pro-Gay Communitys, and I notice a interesting trend. I don't mean to sound like a "Know-it-all", but I've yet to see many if any people, who are commonly considered homophobic, who would consider themselves that.
I've recently went to another site, I will not mention here (lets just say someone had a rather graphic avatar there, so I feel I cannot link it), but anyways one what many here would consider a highly homophobic community, claimed "They weren't homophobic" since, (despite hating them) they weren't scared of gays. Saying that they are 'weak and scrawny', and that in their opinions, a 'true homophobe' is scared of gays.
Whats you're opinion on this? And now to the main point: What is a homophobe? Whats homophobic, whats not? And what makes a homophobe a homophobe? I know these two matters have a intense controversy, between the Pro-gay, and Anti-Gay community so I figured to put this into the Debate section.
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Apr 18, 2006 5:52:06 GMT -5
I think homophobe just sounds better than "not-liking-gay-people-person", I know of no one that woul really be suited for that title, it's just conveinent. I'm sure some people have homophobia, but someone somewhere probably has any phobia you can think of.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Apr 18, 2006 6:35:35 GMT -5
I think homophobe just sounds better than "not-liking-gay-people-person", I know of no one that woul really be suited for that title, it's just conveinent. I'm sure some people have homophobia, but someone somewhere probably has any phobia you can think of. What it is though, all seems arguable depending on the person. Some may say, intolerance towards gays=homophobia. While others may say homophobia is just a emotion. Some will say it's a hatred of gays, others will insist thats not the case, and claim it's a fear of gays. Some people disagree with homosexuality, yet say they are not homophobes. What seperates them despite disagreeing with both groups, is something I am curious about. Does intolerance make a homophobe? Does fear of gays make one? Does hatred of gays make one? Both either or neither? Or intense intolerance and hatred/fear/? One very controversial question. Does anti-gay equal homophobia? Or is it something more? I know many will have extremely different views on this one. Does wanting to restrict what some view as rights for gays, equal homophobia? Or is it only that when actually attempted to limit it? Or is it only homophobic to want them dead? Or is it only homophobia to actually assault a gay? I have heard so many different people say so many different things, I've become quite confused about the term homophobe. Because so many of different opinions on non-heterosexuality, disagree on what it is. Edited for typos. |
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Apr 18, 2006 6:46:12 GMT -5
Homophobia is defined as fear or contempt for gays, so actually it does define people that just don't like them.
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Post by Mistress.Nairakarn on Apr 18, 2006 6:59:38 GMT -5
Homophobia is defined as fear or contempt for gays, so actually it does define people that just don't like them. What would you say of people, who remain neutral politically, and say they don't dislike or fear gays, and actually seem to treat them equally, yet still disagree with homosexuality due to religious reasons, or some personal view such as "Reproduction is only right" /etc/? I myself wouldn't know what to call such a person, while I'd disagree with that one view point, I'd at least appreciate the tolerance. And I'd be very uncertain about calling them a homophobe. (Despite disagreeing with their viewpoint). |
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Post by Twitchmonkey on Apr 18, 2006 7:46:54 GMT -5
A homodissedent?
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Post by ShadowLynx on Apr 18, 2006 19:42:37 GMT -5
Homophobe is meant to be a person who is afraid or feels weakened by homosexuals...
Though it has been used so much that the boundaries of this meaning has become blurred... So it can mean a person who is afraid or loathes homosexuals... I won't say my opinion here since in another forum is sparked a massive "debate"...
Homophobia is also used by the Church and most right-wing politicians...
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Post by Ratwar on Apr 18, 2006 20:52:23 GMT -5
I think the best way to express its definition in my mind is a simple test. Would you be okay with a gay couple living in the house next door to you?
If the answer is no, you are probably a homophobe. Whether this is by hate or fear doesn't matter.
Sure, there ae exceptions, but if you wanted to list all of those, you'd need to write a book.
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Post by mastab on Apr 19, 2006 19:57:36 GMT -5
You cannot use logic with the illogical.
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Post by Hunessai on Apr 23, 2006 1:36:32 GMT -5
Homophobia is an irrational fear of homosexuals. Most people, when using the word "homophobe," are using it in place of discrimination. However, it possible (and most likely even common) to be both homophobic and discriminatory against homosexuals at the same time.
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Post by lulu on May 10, 2006 1:12:02 GMT -5
Homophobia is a bunch of nonsense. I never heard of anyone with negrophobia.
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Post by attrebus on May 10, 2006 1:17:10 GMT -5
That's because it's called racism.  |
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Post by lulu on May 10, 2006 1:21:57 GMT -5
That's because it's called racism. I call homophobia an excuse to excuse a hate crime. |
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Post by attrebus on May 10, 2006 1:31:39 GMT -5
But that's like saying racism is an excuse for hate crimes as well. Which it isn't.
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Post by lulu on May 10, 2006 1:56:25 GMT -5
Touche'
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Post by Le Driver on May 20, 2006 23:02:55 GMT -5
It's difficult to define, but you know it when you see it. I think it occurs when you see homosexuality as 'less' than heterosexuality - vague as that is.
I guess that's why it's so hard to pin someone as a homophobe... there's no one definition. I guess it's when you view being gay or same-sex attracted as an inherently 'bad' thing, or at least, as being unfavourable when compared to being attracted to a member of the opposite sex.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on May 24, 2006 13:18:45 GMT -5
It's difficult to define, but you know it when you see it. I think it occurs when you see homosexuality as 'less' than heterosexuality - vague as that is. I guess that's why it's so hard to pin someone as a homophobe... there's no one definition. I guess it's when you view being gay or same-sex attracted as an inherently 'bad' thing, or at least, as being unfavourable when compared to being attracted to a member of the opposite sex. I believe you mean 'inferior to heterosexuality'. But yes, I understand even if it did look odd. One of the things I'm for is equality, honestly. If Gays get Gay pride parades, then I don't see why my sister, or anybody Liberally-minded would have any problems with a 'Straight-pride' Parade. I guess that's why you can, and might see, a parade honoring one ethnicity or another, but you don't see White-honoring parades... because most people would assume that's racist. Also, I'm not really caring on Homosexual Marriage, honestly. |
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Post by Muad'dib on May 24, 2006 16:43:37 GMT -5
One of the things I'm for is equality, honestly. If Gays get Gay pride parades, then I don't see why my sister, or anybody Liberally-minded would have any problems with a 'Straight-pride' Parade. Because they aren't looking for a parade for its own sake. Jeez. I'm hetero, and can dismiss that easier than I can blink an eye. They are looking for integration. The same rights that heteros (like me) take for granted. "Oh wow, they are walking down the road" is the sentiment of those blind to the deeper meaning. There is a point to it, and its not just to annoy people. Sure you aren't. Because all you have is self interest, and can't imagine concerns for others. Thinly veiled, but at least you tried. |
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Post by pilaf on Jun 11, 2006 0:02:09 GMT -5
Homophobia is a crippling fear of Homo Sapiens.
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Post by ShadowLynx on Jun 11, 2006 3:37:39 GMT -5
I admit I am a bit cautious on Same-sex people.
This I openly admit, I have friends who are gay and lesbian and have no problem if they keep it quiet.
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Post by pilaf on Jun 11, 2006 9:57:03 GMT -5
I admit I am a bit cautious on Same-sex people. This is probably gonna hurt your ego, but most homosexual people of the same gender probably aren't interested in trying to rape you. They simply don't find you attractive. It's nothing personal. You're just not their type.  (Pilaf, on the other hand, is the object of lust for both straight and gay men and women everywhere. Bring on the looooove. ;D) |
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jun 12, 2006 20:29:41 GMT -5
One of the things I'm for is equality, honestly. If Gays get Gay pride parades, then I don't see why my sister, or anybody Liberally-minded would have any problems with a 'Straight-pride' Parade. Because they aren't looking for a parade for its own sake. Jeez. I'm hetero, and can dismiss that easier than I can blink an eye. They are looking for integration. The same rights that heteros (like me) take for granted. "Oh wow, they are walking down the road" is the sentiment of those blind to the deeper meaning. There is a point to it, and its not just to annoy people. Sure you aren't. Because all you have is self interest, and can't imagine concerns for others. Thinly veiled, but at least you tried. Yup, I only care for myself, you got me.  |
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Post by pilaf on Jun 12, 2006 21:09:55 GMT -5
I support same sex marriage because I support Democracy and the freedom to live our personal lives the way we see fit, with the exception of activities which harm others. As homosexual love is utterly victimless, it's not the government's place to enforce religiously and politically fueled legislation on such activities.
When we give the federal government that much control over the harmless, personal activities people choose to partake in, the government becomes more and more omnipotent until democracy crumbles and fascism reigns.
I'm not a homosexual, and I'm not big on marriage either, but I believe people should have the freedom to live their lives in a way which is true to themselves. This is the very essence of freedom and democracy, an ideal on which the country I live in was built upon, and an ideal which is worth standing up for.
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