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Dune
Mar 29, 2006 17:19:00 GMT -5
Post by eek on Mar 29, 2006 17:19:00 GMT -5
Is this series of books any good? I've been given the loan of the trilogy and two others (God Emperor and Heretics) from my grandad, since he can't really get into them. Dad says they ain't all that great either, but I don't trust their tastes. I just want to know if it's worth having a go at. I'm part-way through Robert Jordan's latest book, but I haven't read a word in weeks... it's tough going.
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Dune
Mar 29, 2006 17:59:40 GMT -5
Post by My Eager Eyes on Mar 29, 2006 17:59:40 GMT -5
Its supposedly one of the greatest Scifi series ever written. Ive only gotten through the third book, but I do find it to be pretty good. The characters are interesting, and as far as scifiness goes its way up there. I had trouble understanding some concepts, as it goes deep into time and how the past and future are connected, might get confusing. but hey, I don't really read all that actively anyway. So yes, I do recommend it, if you like Scifi.
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Dune
Apr 10, 2006 5:58:01 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Apr 10, 2006 5:58:01 GMT -5
If you wish to hear the tale of my exploits, then I suggest you read them. You will obtain knowledge of my Great House, Atreides by reading the Preludes. You will learn of what happens when House Ateides, Harkonnen and Corrino all come to a head.
You may be curious about the age old hatred us Atreides have for the Harkonnen. You can learn of what happened in the Butlerian Jihad at the Battle of Corrin to cause a rift between two Houses that once stood together proud.
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Dune
Apr 28, 2006 11:12:48 GMT -5
Post by Hunessai on Apr 28, 2006 11:12:48 GMT -5
I loved Dune.
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May 9, 2006 18:16:18 GMT -5
Post by mastab on May 9, 2006 18:16:18 GMT -5
I've read bits of a few of them. They're hard to read, too long, but the plot is pretty good.
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May 12, 2006 4:08:55 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on May 12, 2006 4:08:55 GMT -5
I've read bits of a few of them. They're hard to read, too long, but the plot is pretty good. I didn't find them too long to read. Granted, there are currently 12 books out, and another 2 on the way. One this year, and one next, the level of brilliance in the story writing made me ignore the length of the series. I consider it all as "one" as opposed to seperate, and I find this line of thinking has served me well.
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Dune
Jul 13, 2006 9:11:27 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 9:11:27 GMT -5
eek, you start reading tales of my exploits yet?
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Dune
Jul 13, 2006 13:35:13 GMT -5
Post by eek on Jul 13, 2006 13:35:13 GMT -5
Nah, I've been distracted.
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Jul 13, 2006 14:06:41 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 14:06:41 GMT -5
Just messing, though when you have free time, its well worth reading. People tell me they learn something new about me every time they read it
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Dune
Jul 13, 2006 16:49:53 GMT -5
Post by ShadowLynx on Jul 13, 2006 16:49:53 GMT -5
I've just started the Prequel to Dune. Looks pretty good.
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Jul 13, 2006 17:54:34 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Jul 13, 2006 17:54:34 GMT -5
I've just started the Prequel to Dune. Looks pretty good. Depending on who you ask, you'll hear people say starting with that is a good/bad idea The originals by Frank are better, and are definitely worth reading afterwards anyway.
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Jul 28, 2006 19:51:35 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Jul 28, 2006 19:51:35 GMT -5
A portion of Chapter One of Dune[/i][/u] A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. This every sister of the Bene Gesserit knows. To begin your study of the life of Muad'Dib, then, take care that you first place him in his time: born in the 57th year of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. And take the most special care that you locate Muad'Dib in his place: the planet Arrakis. Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan and lived his first fifteen years there. Arrakis, the planet known as Dune, is forever his place. -from "Manual of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan In the week before their departure to Arrakis, when all the final scurrying about had reached a nearly unbearable frenzy, an old crone came to visit the mother of the boy, Paul. It was a warm night at Castle Caladan, and the ancient pile of stone that had served the Atreides family as home for twenty-six generations bore that cooled-sweat feeling it acquired before a change in the weather. The old woman was let in by the side door down the vaulted passage by Paul's room and she was allowed a moment to peer in at him where he lay in his bed. By the half-light of a suspensor lamp, dimmed and hanging near the floor, the awakened boy could see a bulky female shape at his door, standing one step ahead of his mother. The old woman was a witch shadow -- hair like matted spiderwebs, hooded 'round darkness of features, eyes like glittering jewels. "Is he not small for his age, Jessica?" the old woman asked. Her voice wheezed and twanged like an untuned baliset. Paul's mother answered in her soft contralto: "The Atreides are known to start late getting their growth, Your Reverence." "So I've heard, so I've heard," wheezed the old woman. "Yet he's already fifteen." "Yes, Your Reverence." "He's awake and listening to us," said the old woman. "Sly little rascal." She chuckled. "But royalty has need of slyness. And if he's really the Kwisatz Haderach... well . . ." Within the shadows of his bed, Paul held his eyes open to mere slits. Two bird-bright ovals -- the eyes of the old woman -- seemed to expand and glow as they stared into his. "Sleep well, you sly little rascal," said the old woman. "Tomorrow you'll need all your faculties to meet my gom jabbar." And she was gone, pushing his mother out, closing the door with a solid thump. Paul lay awake wondering: What's a gom jabbar? In all the upset during this time of change, the old woman was the strangest thing he had seen. Your Reverence.And the way she called his mother Jessica like a common serving wench instead of what she was -- a Bene Gesserit Lady, a duke's concubine and mother of the ducal heir. Is a gom jabbar something of Arrakis I must know before we go there? He wondered. He mouthed her strange words: Gom jabber.Kwisatz Haderach. There had been so many things to learn. Arrakis would be a place so different from Caladan that Paul's mind whirled with the new knowledge. Arrakis -- Dune – Desert Planet.Thufir Hawat, his father's Master of Assassins, had explained it: their mortal enemies, the Harkonnens, had been on Arrakis eighty years, holding the planet in quasi-fief under a CHOAM Company contract to mine the geriatric spice, melange. Now the Harkonnens were leaving to be replaced by the House of Atreides in fief-complete -- an apparent victory for the Duke Leto. Yet, Hawat had said, this appearance contained the deadliest peril, for the Duke Leto was popular among the Great Houses of the Landsraad. "A popular man arouses the jealousy of the powerful," Hawat had said. Arrakis -- Dune -- Desert Planet.Paul fell asleep to dream of an Arrakeen cavern, silent people all around him moving in the dim light of glowglobes. It was solemn there and like a cathedral as he listened to a faint sound -- the drip-drip-drip of water. Even while he remained in the dream, Paul knew he would remember it upon awakening. He always remembered the dreams that were predictions. The dream faded. Paul awoke to feel himself in the warmth of his bed -- thinking . . . thinking. This world of Castle Caladan, without play or companions his own age, perhaps did not deserve sadness in farewell. Dr. Yueh, his teacher, had hinted that the faufreluches class system was not rigidly guarded on Arrakis. The planet sheltered people who lived at the desert edge without caid or bashar to command them: will-o'-the-sand people called Fremen, marked down on no census of the Imperial Regate. Arrakis -- Dune -- Desert Planet.
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Dune
Aug 2, 2006 22:14:28 GMT -5
Post by Leviticus on Aug 2, 2006 22:14:28 GMT -5
Muad'dib, do you know a web site where I can go to get a list of all the books in chronological order? Most of the books I read long ago were borrowed. I'd like to start from the beginning, and read them in order, to get the full and proper impact. As Mr. Herbert intends it to be. Thanks!
-Levi
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Dune
Aug 2, 2006 22:31:00 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Aug 2, 2006 22:31:00 GMT -5
LegendsPreludeClassicThey are in three seperate categories. The Legends series is based on the Butlerian Jihad, and the Preludes are set to end just where Dune (first book in classic series by Frank) starts off. Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson write the six before that, and Frank wrote the original six. I love the Prelude series, and the first three books in Dune in particular. The last three Dune books are cool too, but I wasn't so pushed about the Legends series other than the fact there was the origination of the Fremen on Arrakis in it. Great book series as a whole.
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Dune
Aug 4, 2006 13:08:56 GMT -5
Post by Leviticus on Aug 4, 2006 13:08:56 GMT -5
LegendsPreludeClassicThey are in three seperate categories. The Legends series is based on the Butlerian Jihad, and the Preludes are set to end just where Dune (first book in classic series by Frank) starts off. Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson write the six before that, and Frank wrote the original six. I love the Prelude series, and the first three books in Dune in particular. The last three Dune books are cool too, but I wasn't so pushed about the Legends series other than the fact there was the origination of the Fremen on Arrakis in it. Great book series as a whole. Thanks man! I'll probably start off with the prelude series then. -Levi
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Aug 4, 2006 13:19:19 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Aug 4, 2006 13:19:19 GMT -5
Cool, Levi I'll see if I can post a bit of the first chapter of House Atreides here later, no promises, though i'll see what I can do
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Dune
Aug 7, 2006 19:54:36 GMT -5
Post by Leviticus on Aug 7, 2006 19:54:36 GMT -5
No need to post that, Muad. Unless you want to. I found a bookstore near my house that carries most all of Herbert's works. (Borders) I can just go there to peruse them. I changed my mind on where I'm going to start. I'm going all the way back. I'll start with Butlerian Jihad so as to fully immerse myself from the very beginnings.
-Levi
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Aug 15, 2006 3:11:48 GMT -5
Post by ShadowLynx on Aug 15, 2006 3:11:48 GMT -5
I'm reading it from Prelude to Classic then to Legend. Just got to Dune.
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Dune
Aug 18, 2006 15:49:22 GMT -5
Post by Leviticus on Aug 18, 2006 15:49:22 GMT -5
Well, I've just about finished the first book in the Legend series, The Butlerian Jihad. It was a very fast read. I loved it! Plenty of action and not too much in the way of complex narrative, which some of the later books in the Classic series contain.
Here's the first few paragraphs in the prologue for The Butlerian Jihad...
Princess Irulan writes:
"Any true student must realize that History has no beginning. Regardless of where a story starts, there are always earlier heroes and earlier tradgedies. Before one can understand Muad'Dib or the current jihad that followed the overthrow of my father, Emperor Shaddam IV, one must understand what we fight against. Therefore, look more than ten thousand years into our past, ten millennia before the birth of Paul Atreides. It is there that we see the founding of the Imperium, how an emperor rose from the ashes of the Battle of Corrin to unify the bruised remnants of humanity. We will delve into the most ancient records, into the very myths of Dune, into the time of the Great Revolt, more commonly known as the Butlerian Jihad. The terrible war against thinking machines was the genesis of our political-commercial universe. Hear now, as I tell the story of free humans rebelling against the domination of robots, computers, and cymeks. Observe the basis of the great betrayal that made mortal enemies of House Atreides and House Harkonnen, a violent feud that continues to this day. Learn the roots of the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood, the Spacing Guild and their Navigators, the Swordmasters of Ginaz, the Suk Medical School, the Mentats. Witness the lives of oppressed Zensunni Wanderers who fled to the desert world of Arrakis, where they became our greatest soldiers, the Fremen. Such events led to the birth and life of Muad'Dib."
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Sept 1, 2006 22:00:44 GMT -5
Post by Hunessai on Sept 1, 2006 22:00:44 GMT -5
Sounds really cool. I should get more of these books.
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Sept 2, 2006 16:22:43 GMT -5
Post by ShadowLynx on Sept 2, 2006 16:22:43 GMT -5
Is Princess Irulan the Emperor's First Daughter or Second?
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Sept 3, 2006 20:12:13 GMT -5
Post by Leviticus on Sept 3, 2006 20:12:13 GMT -5
Is Princess Irulan the Emperor's First Daughter or Second? She's the eldest or first duaghter. She becomes Empress after the death of her father.
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Sept 6, 2006 5:09:47 GMT -5
Post by ShadowLynx on Sept 6, 2006 5:09:47 GMT -5
After marrying Duke Leto's son Paul Muad'dib right?
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Sept 6, 2006 7:41:00 GMT -5
Post by Leviticus on Sept 6, 2006 7:41:00 GMT -5
After marrying Duke Leto's son Paul Muad'dib right? I'm not sure if she became Empress before or after the marriage of arrangement with Paul Atreides. I forgot when Shaddam dies because I read Classic Dune awhile ago. Right now, I'm reading the Legend series by Herbert's son, who compiled the three books using his father's manuscripts. So far, the first two are most awesome! The only sad thing about them is that they end. For total immersion, I'm reading the whole epic in chronological order. After Legends, then it's the Prelude series and then Classic. Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it, what ever happened to that nice Fremen woman? Wasn't she married to Paul?
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Sept 6, 2006 11:22:27 GMT -5
Post by Muad'dib on Sept 6, 2006 11:22:27 GMT -5
Chani? She was married to Paul. She was his concubine, and Irulan was his wife. He only married her to become Emperor. Though, Irulan never really had any power, or was the recipient of any affection.
Chani bore two children to Paul - Leto II and Ghanima. We don't really find out what happens to Chani, from what I recall.
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