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Post by Britney on Jul 21, 2006 19:43:08 GMT -5
The last thing I want you all to think is that I'm a democrat... so don't!
Here's my question: Why do a majority of Republican's hold an anti-abortion stance, yet support the death penalty?
From an economical standpoint it doesn't make sense; both orphan children and prisoners drain the economy. So why get rid of one but not the other?
From a moral standpoint it doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. Is the "Thou shall not kill" doctrine only applied to people who are innocent? If that is the case, who is to say that those on death row are 100% guilty? Who is to say that the next non-aborted baby doesn't grow up to be the next Charles Manson? Someone please explain this to me.
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Post by Hunessai on Jul 21, 2006 19:53:17 GMT -5
I'm as confused as you are.
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Post by Ratwar on Jul 21, 2006 19:56:12 GMT -5
Well, their main argument is that a fetus (or an orphan) hasn't done anything wrong, while someone in prison (in the view of society) has done something wrong. You can take away rights to people who have done something wrong.
Anyways, a much better hypocrisy, especially among people who strongly believe in the pro-life movement, is the fact that the vast majority support the right to abort a fetus if the woman was raped. It ain't the fetus's fault. Why should it lack the rights of another fetus?
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 19:58:42 GMT -5
I think its more a display that prison isn't for rehabilitation than anything else, really.
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Post by pilaf on Jul 21, 2006 20:08:56 GMT -5
I think its more a display that prison isn't for rehabilitation than anything else, really. More like a display of bullshit. It's supposed to be the Christian Right, correct? Meaning a lot of Right leaning people are religious. How can one believe in redemption, a key aspect of that religion, if one does not believe in rehabilitation? It's basically a message that they can't be damned to actually worry about improving the outlook and lives of the people who are locked away, and that they're not worth being redeemed. Hell, that fascist Reagan even robbed them of their right to an education in prison during his term. Can you believe that bullshit? |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 20:18:02 GMT -5
I agree it is total BS, and its Christian hypocrisy is what it is.
As for Reagan, i'm not familar with his adminstration and what he did in his time, but it sounds like he did a bang up job like Bush[/sarcasm]
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Post by Britney on Jul 21, 2006 20:21:46 GMT -5
Anyways, a much better hypocrisy, especially among people who strongly believe in the pro-life movement, is the fact that the vast majority support the right to abort a fetus if the woman was raped. It ain't the fetus's fault. Why should it lack the rights of another fetus? That's a very good point... I don't know why they think that... |
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Post by pilaf on Jul 21, 2006 20:25:03 GMT -5
They don't support the woman's right to abort in South Dakota any more when raped...because, as you know, Jesus loves rapists *sarcasm*.
My country is full of so much bullshit, it isn't even funny.
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Post by sirdabrowski on Jul 21, 2006 21:25:07 GMT -5
I agree it is total BS, and its Christian hypocrisy is what it is. As for Reagan, i'm not familar with his adminstration and what he did in his time, but it sounds like he did a bang up job like Bush[/sarcasm] I signed on to these forums, simply because of that quote. Basically, to me, it reads, "I've no idea what Reagan did, but I think I'll comment, regardless." First off, I'd like to make this clear: I am neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. ( I'm actually a 'smartass.'  ) Now what did Reagan do? What did that 'Fascist' ( Look up 'Fascist' in the dictionary for me, will you? ) do? Oh, I don't know. Maybe he helped to dismantle the Soviet Union and brought peace between the two Superpowers.Just maybe. |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 21:31:57 GMT -5
Aww, someone joined the forum on my account? Good we're getting more members, and I appreciate the sentiment. You think i'd like him for being against left wing ideas? Sorry, wrong ballpark. We're not even talking the same game here, sir Besides, not all historians think he was in fact behind the fall of the Soviet Union, some thought it inevitable anyway. |
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Post by sirdabrowski on Jul 21, 2006 21:42:10 GMT -5
Aww, someone joined the forum on my account? Good we're getting more members, and I appreciate the sentiment. You think i'd like him for being against left wing ideas? Sorry, wrong ballpark. We're not even talking the same game here, sir  Besides, not all historians think he was in fact behind the fall of the Soviet Union, some thought it inevitable anyway. He hastened it up, there is no doubt. The Soviets didn't have much of a budget, so it was obvious that if we engaged in a 'spending war' with them, it'd at least do something. |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 21:45:15 GMT -5
Nice to see a little nick like tripling the national debt doesn't slow your pace to try to counter my prejudgement judgement. Edit: Ah, he was the President who was mad on the War on Drugs, yeah, I heard a bit about him before. Edit again: Victimless crimes, hey, why not fill the prisons anyway?   |
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Post by morty14 on Jul 21, 2006 21:55:31 GMT -5
Now what did Reagan do? What did that 'Fascist' ( Look up 'Fascist' in the dictionary for me, will you? ) do? Oh, I don't know. fas·cist (fshst) n. 1. often Fascist An advocate or adherent of fascism. 2. A reactionary or dictatorial person. Sounds enough like Reagan for me. Yeah, he helped. I also help populate the Earth. That doesn't mean I am the reason the Earth is populated, nor even a large part of the reason. The USSR was doomed to failure ever since the Gosplan was started. Ever since they based their economy on something that was impossible. Somehow they figured all the economic knowledge of the entire country could be concentrated into a single place. Brillant Reagan was great for arms contractors, fundmentalists, and the top 1% in economic status. The rest of us were pretty well screwed over. And yet, the democraps couldn't figure out a way to beat him, so he stayed the whole 8 years. Just shows again why two party systems suck. |
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Post by lucia on Jul 21, 2006 21:56:27 GMT -5
Aww, someone joined the forum on my account? Good we're getting more members, and I appreciate the sentiment. You think i'd like him for being against left wing ideas? Sorry, wrong ballpark. We're not even talking the same game here, sir Besides, not all historians think he was in fact behind the fall of the Soviet Union, some thought it inevitable anyway. He hastened it up, there is no doubt. The Soviets didn't have much of a budget, so it was obvious that if we engaged in a 'spending war' with them, it'd at least do something. Yeah, left us with thousands of nuclear missiles we couldn't dispose of, cut spending for many domestic programs, and laid waste to the Soviet Union, which left the region in discord and violence for the next decade and a half. Awesome. |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 21, 2006 21:57:03 GMT -5
I noticed the War on Drugs thing, there...
I believe he said its the number one domestic enemy.
Edit: That is, drugs are the enemy, not the fighting against them.
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Post by Hunessai on Jul 21, 2006 23:05:09 GMT -5
Some of these comments border on bashing, let's try and lighten it up a bit... or atleast make it more subtle, if you are incapable.
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Post by pilaf on Jul 21, 2006 23:50:12 GMT -5
I noticed the War on Drugs thing, there... I believe he said its the number one domestic enemy. I think that the "war on drugs" is the number one domestic enemy, or at least tied with homophobia, racism, and counter-productive religious posturing in politics. The only thing the "war on drugs" really does is to target poor minorities. Because of it, and the conservative economy which is leeching money from the poor, one out of every four black males will spend some or most of his life in prison. All for victimless crimes. Behold the mad crusade against substances the government opposes because they don't draw tax money off them. The truth shall set ye free. |
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Post by melchior1 on Jul 22, 2006 0:24:46 GMT -5
Hell, that fascist Reagan even robbed them of their right to an education in prison during his term. Can you believe that BS? a prison sentence is a punishment not a priviledge, and as for myself, I don't like the death penalty, personaly, I think it gives them an easy way out.....scared convicts repent and die with a clear conscience.....I'd rather see them rot for their crimes against humanity |
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jul 22, 2006 1:23:23 GMT -5
Well, their main argument is that a fetus (or an orphan) hasn't done anything wrong, while someone in prison (in the view of society) has done something wrong. You can take away rights to people who have done something wrong. Anyways, a much better hypocrisy, especially among people who strongly believe in the pro-life movement, is the fact that the vast majority support the right to abort a fetus if the woman was raped. It ain't the fetus's fault. Why should it lack the rights of another fetus? Good point. That's all I will say on this matter. Aren't I so mysterious? ;D |
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Post by Muad'dib on Jul 22, 2006 1:32:39 GMT -5
I think that the "war on drugs" is the number one domestic enemy, or at least tied with homophobia, racism, and counter-productive religious posturing in politics. The only thing the "war on drugs" really does is to target poor minorities. Because of it, and the conservative economy which is leeching money from the poor, one out of every four black males will spend some or most of his life in prison. All for victimless crimes. Behold the mad crusade against substances the government opposes because they don't draw tax money off them. The truth shall set ye free. I basically agree with all of that. a prison sentence is a punishment not a priviledge, and as for myself, I don't like the death penalty, personaly, I think it gives them an easy way out.....scared convicts repent and die with a clear conscience.....I'd rather see them rot for their crimes against humanity Prison time should be about rehabilitation, not about punishment. I am entirely against the death penalty, and i'm entirely for the fact that prison sentences should be about rehabilitation, not punishment. |
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Post by pilaf on Jul 22, 2006 5:25:57 GMT -5
Hell, that fascist Reagan even robbed them of their right to an education in prison during his term. Can you believe that BS? a prison sentence is a punishment not a priviledge, and as for myself, I don't like the death penalty, personaly, I think it gives them an easy way out.....scared convicts repent and die with a clear conscience.....I'd rather see them rot for their crimes against humanity Oh, right...it's not like they're human beings or anything. Let's treat them like garbage just because they made a mistake, or because of our centralized government which bleeds money for food and shelter from the lower classes like pus from a fetid wound, some of them grew up poor and never had a chance of not going to prison. Let's ignore the fact that they have feelings, and dreams, and that they're not so different from us, and that people like you and me are incredibly lucky to have grown up in the environments we grew up in. Let's pretend we wouldn't have turned out just like them under the same upbringing because it's convenient not to care. Let's be assholes and brand them scum, and pretend we're better. Let's just let 'em rot. Wow...how touching and humanistic. |
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Post by lucia on Jul 23, 2006 13:21:48 GMT -5
Rapists and sex offenders are scum.  |
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 23, 2006 13:23:01 GMT -5
Rapists and sex offenders are scum.  Oh yes, and there the only people that go to prison. |
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Post by lucia on Jul 23, 2006 13:26:12 GMT -5
I assumed Melchior was talking about capital crimes. The death penalty only applies to those.
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Post by Osama Bin Laden on Jul 23, 2006 13:29:41 GMT -5
I thought you were replying to pilaf's post. My bad.
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