How old is the planet/Universe?

[Muad'dib]

A video that was linked in a previous thread by Radont can be found here.

He says that if evolution is right, that we are not worth a thing. So, is this to imply creationism is true, because we apparently have value to some creator?

I'll skip on a bit, and he says how satan said "ye shalt not surely die" and saying that this was calling God a liar... But God was lying 0.o

Satan started evolution?

Now he doubts the possibility of life on other planets? Things aren't looking particularly good for this guy.

Seems to me, he's trying to mock all other denominations of Christianity, thereby making their own denomination look like the right one.

Man, i'm not even 10 minutes into this, and already have a lot of criticisms against this video.

I could watch the entire 2 hours, and post every single criticism, but I don't think the thread would survive then.... I'll watch the rest of this, now, though. I'd advise the rest of you to, too...

Edit: Also, this video states that Eve is the mother of all living, so the incest argument lives on.

Edit 2: His argument that the planet is 6000 years old by adding up dates... How do we know how much time has passed since the time the bible apparently talks about (as in the last person on the list, if you know what i'm saying ) and now?

Edit 3: wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Kent_Hovind

Kent Hovind (a.k.a. Dr. Dino) is a Young Earth Creationist, and is the founder of Creation Science Evangelism. Hovind is in the unique position of being so dishonest that other creationists distance themselves from him [1].

[Anon]

The planet is very approximately 4 billion years old. Note that approximately doesn't give nearly enough space to take off enough time here to go anywhere near the planet being 6000 years old.

The area of filled universe that sprung from the Big Bang is very very approximately 14 billion years old.

And the actual universe itself (the Big Bang didn't create the universe itself, just filled a lot of empty space) is, in my opinion - and I don't pretend to know much about this, infinitely old.

[Muad'dib]

You really ought to watch this video... There are some interesting points, but he makes some points that are so ridiculous, he loses most of his credebility.

According to him, the planet is 6000 years old, as I previously stated.

edit: Still watching it myself.

[Anon]

I don't have time to listen to it all - unfortunately, because it's funny. From what I have heard so far, him teaching science is like Hitler teaching anger management classes.

[Ratwar]

The Earth is much older than 6000 years.

The idea that the earth is 6000 years old is based on calculations done by men using the bible as a guide. This was the FIRST 'evidence' (there might be more, but I don't care to watch a two hour video to laugh at how wrong it is). Even Christians know that men can be wrong. God has never stated that the Earth is 6,000 years old. This suggests that this evidence could be flawed. Whatever evidence besides the biblical calculations was gathered for the purpose of proving the Biblical account correct. Therefore, the studies to find this evidence were bias to begin with.

Even though it is against my best judgement, I'll tell you why it is foolish to believe that the world is 6,000 years old. First off, a 6,000 year old earth is at odds with human history. We known that human civilization kicked off in Mesopotamia and Egypt around 2000 BC WITHOUT Dinosaurs. So, we're left with a small 2,000 year period to account for Dinosaurs/other prehistoric animals to live. The amount of sedementry rock that has formed with fossilized critters in it couldn't be formed in 2,000 years.

So, what about Noah's flood being this needed mass grave coverer? Well, where are the human amongst the Dinosaur bones? They simply aren't there. So we can throw that theory out the window.

As for fossils being a gigantic conspiracy from the devil, if he's got that much power, God's lossing his grip.

[Muad'dib]

Ratwar, i'd recommend when you have time, to give it a watch. Granted, he's mostly trying to get people interested in his denomination above others, and he has a lot of points that I think are ridiculous, and as a whole I think his arguments are a crock, there are a few that I can't answer myself...

Things which will merit me looking up at a later time.

I think looking at this, and finding what questions I can't answer, and finding answers will make me a lot better off than say, I feel on the topic now.

And you do make some brilliant counter points, not that I needed anything more to sway me away from the 6000 year old thing.

[radont]

While I don't particularly want to get into a debate on creation vs evolution and the age of the earth for various reasons, Kent Hovind has another video about dinosaurs and the bible.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2528412371399195162&q=kent+hovind

Also, if you go to google video and search Kent Hovind you will find a plethora of videos to peruse at your leasure (sp?).

[Muad'dib]

Radont, did you read that wiki link I provided?

[radont]

newbiezilla said:

Radont, did you read that wiki link I provided?

It was down, too many users or something.

[Muad'dib]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

He is currently facing 58 federal charges, including separate counts of making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints and tax evasion.

[Ratwar]

radont said:

newbiezilla said:

Radont, did you read that wiki link I provided?

It was down, too many users or something.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

That link is working. Basically it just attacks him. Of course, it is wiki.

[Gold_skywalker]

My belief is that it's been around for billions, if not trillions, of years.

Nena came into being from nothing, and created the Universe.

[comike14]

The earth is likely around 4.5 billion years old, while the universe is much harder to date. I don't know we'll ever know the age of the universe, but it now stands at about 20 billion years old. People don't realize that, while the bible is true, its truths are written in allegory and symbolism.

[Muad'dib]

Just want to post another link that was referenced by Wiki.

www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

I'm about to go for a smoke now, but i'll be reading it when I get back in

[melchior1]

I really don't see the point in trying to put an age to the earth.....its all conjecture anyway, at least til I invent a time machine and am able to prove it XD....all joking aside, I don't care how old the universe or the earth is.....I'll start a new thread

[pilaf]

How old is the Earth? A hell of a lot older than any of us, and a hell of a lot older than the Bible and all other holy books combined. How old is the Universe? Which Universe? The one that exists now or the one before that? I believe there's an endless cycle of birth and rebirth with no beginning or end, for the Universe. The scientific law of the conservation of matter seems to support this, as matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

The Earth and humanity are an insigificant speck of dust in supreme infinity. We're kidding ourselves if we think we're special. The Universe is glorious, beautiful desolation -neverending, ageless, cold and magnificent. Our puny brains cannot begin to fathom the depth and scope of existance..if we glimpsed even a second of the truth, we'd be reduced to drooling vegetables.

(wow...that sounded a bit like goth poetry. I need to stop depriving myself of sleep.)

[Gold_skywalker]

Must be emo.

Because Goth poetry would consist of:

I Kill Rome Today
What a WonderFul Day
What a Time to Play
We go sack Rome, Today.

[bigphatty]

I don't know any factual evidence of how old the earth is. But my faith tells me it's about 6000-7000 years old(somehwere around there)

[Muad'dib]

bigphatty, you base that on the google video of Kent Hovind?

Well, what is the evidence the flood happened 4400 years ago in the bible? I don't see it at all.

[bigphatty]

newbiezilla said:

bigphatty, you base that on the google video of Kent Hovind?

Well, what is the evidence the flood happened 4400 years ago in the bible? I don't see it at all.

I saw a program on the History Channel wehere they did carbon dating on a piece of the Original Bible. I do't remember the name of the program that was last year.....

And the Bible was written (roughly) 2000 years after the creation of man.

But I guess you're right my faith doesn't exactly tell me......

[comike14]

bigphatty said:

newbiezilla said:

bigphatty, you base that on the google video of Kent Hovind?

Well, what is the evidence the flood happened 4400 years ago in the bible? I don't see it at all.

I saw a program on the History Channel wehere they did carbon dating on a piece of the Original Bible. I do't remember the name of the program that was last year.....

And the Bible was written (roughly) 2000 years after the creation of man.

But I guess you're right my faith doesn't exactly tell me......

Original bible? You are aware, aren't you, that the first likely written versions of the bible were on scrolls that would have long dissintegrated by now. And before that, it was only passed on through word of mouth.

And I assume that by "2000 years after the creation of man," you mean after the creation of man as it says in the bible? It would make sense that the oldest Torah they could find was probably written in 3000 years ago. But be careful you aren't following the word of the bible as a literal meaning. The bible is true, but even most biblical scholars and religious leaders agree that its teachings are allegorical.

[Muad'dib]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

According to historians, the Old Testament was composed between the 5th century BC and the 2nd century BC, though parts of it, such as the Torah, and Song of Deborah (Judges 5), date back much earlier.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_(Bible)

When Noah was six hundred years old, God decided to send a great flood to destroy all life, for He was angered at the wickedness of man.

I guess from working out when Noah would be 600 according to the bible...

[Slipper Eater]

No scientific evidence? If you refuse to believe geologic evidence that points to the Earth being in the area of 4500 million years old, then sure, we have no proof. And iirc, the first civ. was well over 10, 000 years ago...

[Ratwar]

slippereater said:

No scientific evidence? If you refuse to believe geologic evidence that points to the Earth being in the area of 4500 million years old, then sure, we have no proof. And iirc, the first civ. was well over 10, 000 years ago...

Nah, I finally got around to looking up the Sumerians... They started their kick civilization around 3500 BC. So I was off by about 1,500... Not much time geologically speaking ...

So that means that if the earth is 6,000 years old, billions of dinosaurs would have to live and die and massive amounts of sediment would have to be formed in a span of 500 years. That's roughly the time since Columbus re-re-re-discovered the Americas. For some reason, I doubt it.

[Muad'dib]

Oh, Ratwar, this Kent Hovind guy is more entertaining than you might have originally thought (entertaining in a bad way)

An idea he has is that dinosaurs and people co-existed, and that the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot are evidence of dinosaurs still alive today.