Bible antics: Judas a hero?

[ExtraCheeZ]

Not you cortana, organised religion as a collective, I dont think I have ever been personaly negatively affected by religion, its not about me, I'm not that self centered.

I dont argue with that. Unfortunately considering our perceptions of the world are different, all of my more constructive responces will fall on deaf ears.

Sure, people who arent religious have no moral codes because we are godless. Oh and I've never donated to charity, because as you all know, being an athiest means I cant care about other human beings... :rolleyes:

Yeap.

I wasnt talking about christopher columbus... I dont think I mentioned anything about that... and I am sure to believe that at one point in our history it was popular knowledge that the world was flat. Anyways, who gives a crap about that, its the principle of the example that matters.

[Cortana]

And it's quite obvious that when I said I donate to charity, I truly indicated that I don't believe you do the same. Possibly I felt that I needed to defend the use of my tithe, since so many people think it goes into brainwashing (instead of feeding) the masses. You can complain that Christians "as a collective" look down on you, but you have to admit that athiests, "as a collective", does the same. The number of times I've been told to "get off [my] racist and do real work for a change" (yes, direct quote) as though I'm far too unintelligent to know to do it myself has bred me to defend not only what I believe, but my personal integrity as well. Really no different from what you're doing yourself. All sides have their problems because of specific poor examples, and that's no one person's fault, and no real reason anyone should suffer persecution. Which is exactly what Mincent meant with his post.

[PrettyBurn]

darkhelmet said:

What's wrong with people believing in something that you don't?

I'm not going to get into this, because I don't have the time or energy. But, after watching Ryan right a huge response to a livejournal post about this, I'll basically sum up the main thought.

I have no problem with people holding beliefs. My problem with this is when people use these beliefs to feel superior, define right and wrong, ignore factual evidence, or otherwise delude themselves.

[ExtraCheeZ]

cortana said:

And it's quite obvious that when I said I donate to charity, I truly indicated that I don't believe you do the same. Possibly I felt that I needed to defend the use of my tithe, since so many people think it goes into brainwashing (instead of feeding) the masses. You can complain that Christians "as a collective" look down on you, but you have to admit that athiests, "as a collective", does the same. The number of times I've been told to "get off [my] racist and do real work for a change" (yes, direct quote) as though I'm far too unintelligent to know to do it myself has bred me to defend not only what I believe, but my personal integrity as well. Really no different from what you're doing yourself. All sides have their problems because of specific poor examples, and that's no one person's fault, and no real reason anyone should suffer persecution. Which is exactly what Mincent meant with his post.

Maybe we should band together and create some form of super conglomerate... like "chrishests"... All the heathenistic traits of the athiest and the godfull values of the christians...

Actualy I think they call that secular humanitism...

[ShadowLynx]

I don't see this becoming a great problem for the Roman Orthodox Church...

Over the last few years many different "sects" of the Church (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) have popped up but they still remain a minority... I don't see many people actually going to care about it...

[Muad'dib]

[quote author=cortana board=politics thread=1144662653 Or allowed the other apostles to have the knowledge as well (which is unlikely since it was never mentioned in other books). Even then, Jesus had to be betrayed by men, he even said:[/quote]
This is my main gripe.

Jesus: Don't tell the other apostles.
Judas: Sure.
(Some time passes)

Judas: Hey, guys. Guess what.......