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Post by Twitchmonkey on Oct 21, 2005 1:25:19 GMT -5
I believe I was a few dots closer to fascism then Gandhi, and on just about the same line. Sorry, I didn't remember the number, not that that does any real good anyway.
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Post by Avis on Oct 21, 2005 16:12:32 GMT -5
I'm near Ghandi, yet farther left and higher. (Accidently closed window ) Which I must say is accurate, seeing as I'm a Marxist, damn proud one to
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Post by morty14 on Nov 2, 2005 21:42:01 GMT -5
I'm somewhere in the region of Ghandi on the social scale but way left of him economically. I think I got Economic: - 8.0 Social: - 6.78 in that general area anyway, I accidentally closed it too quickly
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Post by Ratwar on Nov 2, 2005 22:10:43 GMT -5
Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 1.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -.10
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Post by PrettyBurn on Nov 8, 2005 0:49:08 GMT -5
Economic Left/Right: -4.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26
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Post by WitchBoy on Nov 8, 2005 17:18:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a flaming leftist liberal. *edit, went over questions and realized I had read some of them wrong, I thought I was a little bit too far left last time.
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Post by morty14 on Nov 8, 2005 17:23:58 GMT -5
Just take a step up and one more left and you can find me ;D
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Post by TheStranger on Nov 9, 2005 8:18:40 GMT -5
I just tried editing in my image and I know the [ img ] [ /img ] tags, but its just not showing up. And I know not to use spaces too.
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Post by Hunessai on Nov 9, 2005 8:40:43 GMT -5
Just post the url to the image then.
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Post by TheStranger on Nov 9, 2005 10:54:27 GMT -5
Good idea. Done.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 3, 2006 18:13:00 GMT -5
Economic Left/Right: -6.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
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Post by morty14 on Jun 6, 2006 18:38:46 GMT -5
Holy thread revival! Well my score has changed since I last posted here, quite dramatically actually. I'm about a -9.5 (economic), -8.16 (social) now. Ha, more liberal than ever it seems. Although, I've gone pretty far right on a couple issues (immigration especially). Hell, on some issues I sound like a regular Republican. Scariest thing that ever happened to me. And yet,
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 7, 2006 7:26:10 GMT -5
I got annoyed with waiting for replies to topics here so I went back to older topics. This isn't the only one I revived. .......
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Post by morty14 on Jun 7, 2006 15:07:13 GMT -5
I got annoyed with waiting for replies to topics here so I went back to older topics. This isn't the only one I revived. I know, I just thought I'd throw my sentiment out there. Well, for someone who considers himself to be a very, very left wing person, to suddenly be told he sounds like a Republican... yeah pretty damn frightening. But (in case you didn't catch it) the "And yet," is from Jennifer Government, it basically means "but it doesn't really matter."
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 7, 2006 18:42:34 GMT -5
I know, I just thought I'd throw my sentiment out there. Heh, I was thinking about not coming back, because I come for the debates which really gets too little attention... Not that i'd want to force anyone here, its just that the people who do come here don't post often. What kind of issues were you deemed to be Republican on? From the looks of your political chart, Republican wouldn't spring to mind. Seems to me you shouldn't, and not only because ultimately people shouldn't bother you... But because it seems like they have a totally unfounded assumption. But then, I am making an assumption based on charts and graphical information, so who knows?
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Post by morty14 on Jun 8, 2006 16:43:34 GMT -5
What kind of issues were you deemed to be Republican on? From the looks of your political chart, Republican wouldn't spring to mind. Well, immigration, capital punishment, tariffs, the U.N., foreign aid, and some small social issues (national language especially). Here's some of my beliefs on the issues: Immigration: We need a massive increase in border security. Like as in building a wall on BOTH borders (Mexican and Canadian). We should basically be bringing the entire military back home to guard the borders. The Navy assists the Coast Guard with guarding against anything entering our waters, the Airforce can help too. The Army and Marines (and the Airforce too, on a more limited level) can help the Border Patrol. If you are caught attempting to illegally cross the border, the soldiers should first warn the would-be illegal to turn around, but if they do not, it can be considered an invasion and they should shoot-to-kill. That should pretty well end illegal immigration, I don't think many people would take that kind of risk when the chances of successfully getting across the border are extremely small. Legal immigration should require massive background checks, as should tourism. Tourism could be a bit more lax on getting in, but we should have some type of "shadowing" done, to ensure the tourists do eventually leave the country and aren't doing anything illegal while they are here. To get illegal immigrants that are already here out of the country, we should just send a some Federal Agents to, let's say, 5% of companies around the USA. If any of them are caught with any undocumented persons, we will make an example of them and give out just ridiculously massive fines. That should scare most companies out of keeping illegals as employees. Then, they will have no reason to stay here (as they almost exclusively came here for work) and they can all go back to their own country, hell, we'll even pay to send them there if they desire. Also, no more giving American citizenship just based on being born here, to prevent the little trick of being pregnant when you get here and then having a child, then knowing that we won't send the parents out of the country. Perhaps a rule that one of your parents must be an American citizen or something. Capital Punishment: I don't have a problem with the morality of it, it is just too damn expensive (single-person cell, more lengthy court processes, etc). Ha, imagine that, a communist worrying about the money first Tariffs: I am anti-free trade. Personally, I think it sucks. We should be looking out for our own interests first. I say protective tariffs are the way to go. Although, currently, neither major party supports that kind of thinking (one supports it to help everyone and the other to line the pockets of their multi-nationals), it tends to be conservative thinking. Oh, and this is very not-Republican as of late, but also, the outsourcing thing, yeah we should be stopping that by taxing a company big time whenever it has Americans who could be doing that but they outsource it anyway. So they lose some money but America gains some jobs; I'll make that trade everyday of the week. The U.N.: I'm not exactly a fan. It is better than having wars and stuff, but seriously, with the crap and "resolutions" that never do anything I'm not in their corner. Also, I say it should be housed somewhere besides New York City. Because seriously, I know we are awesome and all, but hold your stupid conference thing somewhere else and don't clog up traffic and take up space that could be used for housing in a place that has some of the worst traffic in the world and a huge population of homeless people. Foreign Aid: End it. Completely. Right now. The world doesn't do for us, so we will give them an equal amount of nothingness. Plus, we have poor in our own country, if we could provide for all of them then I might consider sending it overseas, but until we end poverty in the USA, the rest of the world should not be relying on our donations. Besides, we always give aid to popular, but uneffective, causes. Fighting AIDS is great and all, but they will never get real help until some infrastructure is built there and they improve their general quality of life. National Language: English. Everybody's doin' it. If you want to come to our country you can assimilate to us, don't expect me to assimilate to you.
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 8, 2006 19:10:11 GMT -5
When I started reading your bit on immigration, I was really waiting for the "HA ! Got you!" but that didn't come. I think the main issue you have is that not everyone in America has a decent standard of living, so you are trying to logically look at anything that could be used to turn America inwards, and lead to its own financial gain. Understandable, I guess. I see what way you are looking at things, though that is not to say I necessarily agree with you. Something tells me this will be the longest post i'll ever make... Immigration[/u] First of all, lets look at your idea of bringing the military back to preserve the boarders, and prevent illegal immigrants... Ok, if you want militaristic presence there, I can only see that leading to a slippery slope, and a corporate police state, because lets face it, Bush wouldn't waste his army on stopping some illegals getting into the country, working wherever for less than the minimum wage... I mean, Bush probably sees good in these workers coming in and getting paid so little somewhere along the lines. How would you think one should obtain legal immigration? In fact, how does it happen now? I think I recall someone say to get a U.S citizenship, you have to pass some test showing knowledge of the country, and pass an English test (I believe it was Twitch, but nonetheless, I think thats a good system.) Tourism...... Requiring background checks? Please, please, please tell me you are joking. I mean, really. If you aren't joking, man, i'm shocked. Seriously. Ok... I'm not sure what level of business knowledge/economics.. I'd figure far more than me, because I got a pretty basic knowledge, and you aren't stupid. I believe the term is "Invisible Import" as in the number of people going on holidays, i.e tourism is one aspect of that. Now, I have only been to America once, and I think its fair to say you could agree with me that the tourist industry is thriving. And I doubt many people would want to go through bureachracy just to get to a country. You'd practically cripple the tourist industry. If that happened in America, even i'd be shocked. Oh, man. I really hope you reply to this thread with a "I was joking." I mean... Holy crap. Illegal immigrants? Only here to get work....... *Practically hyperventilates* Again, I disagree. Only here to get work? Perhaps it could have been to do with... Wars in their nations? Mass poverty? Lack of services, education, any means of living standards in their own countries? All of the above? I think its funny the idea of companies able to go to any country they want and exploit whoever they want, but workers coming to a country who would give up their labour for wages, and their tax to the government not exactly getting anything, really. I think the fact that parents resort to a trick like you just referenced shows that the system needs to be changed, yes. I agree its an underhanded trick, but I think if you can imagine a life under different living conditions, you'd be pretty fast to want to get the hell out. Capital Punishment[/u] In a wonderful world, all prisoners would be capable of rehabilitation, and I think everyone should have the chance for it, but I don't think the death penalty is an answer, and I certainly wouldn't look at money as reasoning either way. Tariffs[/u] Basically, don't charge tax to companies that set up at home, but charge taxes to companies who come into the country? I see a problem with that. I'd not be so against having other companies in a country. First of all, it gives a greater variety of products, and competition, and second of all, it provides employment. Which I think makes it a win-win. I agree about the out sourcing thing, because then sweat shops wouldn't be exploited like they are. But then, the issue that Ratwar brought up about if they werent' working there, they would be working... Well, in worse conditions. But I suppose that wouldn't affect America, would it? Foreign Aid[/u] This is a bit old, but the quality of life for Americans seems to be quite high... The idea you are putting forward about shutting down foreign aid isn't all that huge, from what I see. Though I could be wrong. I'm not too sticking to my guns on that one. Though, the way I look at it, this foreign aid approach is to make America look like the good guy while it gains the financial profits from agendas like Afghanistan, Iraq, and who knows? Iran later or Venezuala? Language barrier[/u] I agree with you on the national language. Thats one thing that gets to me too.
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jun 9, 2006 3:49:48 GMT -5
I am Right-wing man, Duh-Nuh-Duh-Nuh-duh, vote for me! Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.15
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 9, 2006 6:50:01 GMT -5
I am Right-wing man, Duh-Nuh-Duh-Nuh-duh, vote for me! Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.15 Just for the sake of discussion... Take a look at my post in response to Morty and see in what ways you disagree with my points. I'd be interested to have a discussion on anything political here in this, or any other thread, or indeed religion in some other thread. Basically, just about anything along the lines of a debate
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Post by morty14 on Jun 9, 2006 20:34:32 GMT -5
Ha, see, I told you. My PC score can be deceiving... that's why judging someone based solely on their PC score isn't the best idea, it kinda just gives where you are overall in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't tell you I'm an isolationist Immigration:First off, let me say, I wouldn't trust Bush to do ANYTHING the right way, let alone carry out my agenda! Basically anything *could* go slippery slope, but with decent leadership and not-retarded-and-apathetic populace this would be fairly easy to not turn us into a police state. To become a legal immigrant there is some long ridiculous process, which also needs to be streamlined, but at the same time we should (as stated eariler) massively increase background checks of people becoming citizens. Tourism requiring background checks is just another safety feature, which combined with the rest of my immigration policy, would basically end any threats of terrorism. I mean seriously, unless the terrorist was already here, it'd be tough to get by with this kind of border security. And for tourists, as I said, it needn't be as massive as immigrant background checks, provided we also keep close tabs on them while they are here. I'm not saying have a Federal Agent behind them everywhere they go, I'm just saying we should make sure they aren't building bombs or anything The tourism industry, IMHO, may be hurt a bit by this little measure, but not much. Will it maybe take an extra 10 minutes in line when you are showing your passport to enter, absolutely. But I don't think that an extra 10-20 minutes is enough to deter tourists from coming. We make our own citizens take 20-30 minutes to board an aircraft these days, I think the tourists can handle waiting in line for a bit longer than normal Illegal immigrants (pre-Congress-and-Bush-being-retarded) technically weren't allowed to do those things you described. Of course they got away with it most of the time, and eventually that may have been a side reason, but let's be serious, illegal immigrants are here for the jobs. They can get paid exponentially better here than Mexico (I'm speaking of Mexican illegals only because Canadians have not flooded our borders with millions of illegals, otherwise I'd discuss them too), even if they are paid below minimum wage. Plus, in case you haven't seen the trend, illegal immigrants are being given citizenship basically every 20 years now-a-days (Read: In 1986, all illegals were granted citizenship. Now they are doing it again in 2006). Did you know that the Supreme Court (I think it was those black-robed tyrants) recently made a decision that illegal immigrants who had FORGED Social Security documents were STILL allowed to collect Social Security? Try and tell me that is not the biggest load of BS they have done in quite a while. First they broke the law by coming here illegally, then they FORGED GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS (a FELONY) and not only did they *not* get deported, but actually given the things that they committed a felony to get. What kind of message does that send? What do you think they would have done had it been an American who did something like that? I'll tell you what, they'd be sitting in a federal prison, not getting Social Security checks. And in a time when Social Security is expected to go bankrupt soon no less. PLUS they are considering giving all these millions of illegals citizenship. WHEN THEY BROKE THE LAW. Their situation is nothing compared to some of the people waiting LEGALLY in line to become citizens, and yet they get to become citizens without doing a damn thing. How would you like it if you were from some hellhole like Africa or Eastern Europe and you finally were able to apply for citizenship in America, and do so legally. You wait years to become a citizen. And then the US gov't pulls this kind of bullshit, letting people who weren't even in that bad of a country become citizens after breaking the law to get in the country. Personally I would be going insane from pure rage over that injustice. BTW, Mexico is not in that bad of shape right now. They're no USA of course, but compared to places like Africa, Eastern Europe, or parts of Asia, Mexico looks pretty damn good. The problem with them doing it here is this thing called "Minimum wage." It is the law in these parts. And I'm not a big fan of corporation to begin with (Read: communist), but ones that break the law? That really makes my blood boil. You know, I always here how bad it is in some places, and I believe that it is bad there. But that shouldn't be our government's concern. It is a government for the people that it governs, not random people across the globe. Not to sound callous, but we can't help everyone, nor should we. It is our government's responsiblity to protect the interests of its people first, second, third, fourth, and fifth. Maybe on the sixth go around we can consider foreigners. Know what I'm sayin'? Capital Punishment:I completely agree with the "rehabilitation first" idea, but once you've killed 3 people, it's prolly about time to end the rehabilitation thing, because seriously, once you've killed about three people, it's kinda pointless. Especially repeat offenders of murder, at that point it is time to end their chance to harm society again. Money should definitely be a factor, because think about it, how much money does a person who broke the law cost society? First they broke the law, that is the direct cost. Then the indirects come: Trial costs, [probably] appeals costs, then jail costs. It is just absurd and unfair to society. We suddenly have to pay a bunch of money to support people who have committed major crimes? I think we should say that if you are to receive more than 160 years in prison, that is equal to death penalty and the punishment should be swift, so as to not clog up the jails and cost society more than they already have. I say that in most cases, after the appeals are finished it should be a maximum of 2 years you can be on death row before your punishment is delivered. Tariffs:Again, it is to protect our own. I don't see it the way you do. Perhaps we are thinking of different things. Let's take the automobile industry for example (mainly because I live in Southeast Michigan, so I'm kinda pissed about that). When Japan imports cars here, they can make them cheaper and just as good quality because they make them overseas. That takes jobs away from Americans, destroys our businesses, makes us dependent on foreign sources of goods, and hurts our economy because hard currency leaves the country (most times companies that come here from overseas send the money back home). And you're right that those "sweatshops" all over the world actually help the people working in them more than hurt them. In some places people only make 25 cents an hour and that sounds terrible here, but there they make more than doctors. So it isn't as much that we are exploiting them as it is that we are losing jobs that Americans could have. Now, if we could have everyone employed, then I would say outsourcing is fine, but right now we are throwing jobs that Americans could do overseas because it is cheaper and that isn't right IMHO. Foreign Aid:Americans do have a great average quality of life and even the poorest of our poor look pretty well off in some places, but again, we need to be thinking about our own first. I've seen reports on people who live in places like the Appalachian Mountains and can barely get fresh water and food. And we are sending billions of dollars overseas? That just isn't right in my opinion and does not sit well with me at all. It does improve our image a bit, but what would really improve our image is to get out of everyone's business. That'd make us look a helluva lot better than just throwing money at the problem. Everyone resents our richness as it is, we don't need to flaunt it. Language:Well at least we can agree on something ;D And, no, I am not joking. This is why I can never agree with anyone about politics
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Post by Muad'dib on Jun 10, 2006 4:55:47 GMT -5
Immigration:First off, let me say, I wouldn't trust Bush to do ANYTHING the right way, let alone carry out my agenda! Basically anything *could* go slippery slope, but with decent leadership and not-retarded-and-apathetic populace this would be fairly easy to not turn us into a police state. I disagree. By its very definition, what you explained screams "Police State." Now, to read on in your post. (Something tells me that I will not be able to even read one sentence of this without saying, "WTF?" But i'll try.) I can understand that logic, but logic also tells me that the background checks are probably pretty thorough. Airport security I could understand, but lengthy tourist checks? Well, i'll put it this way, if you were to become president of America, and you did that, I would want to shake your hand and say "Congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot." And maybe give you a medal. Yes. Lets all follow the innocent until proven guilty. You truly are a master of the intellect. [quopte]The tourism industry, IMHO, may be hurt a bit by this little measure, but not much. Will it maybe take an extra 10 minutes in line when you are showing your passport to enter, absolutely.[/quote] Wait....... Your increasing the security is showing a passport? Back in '90 I guess being the age I was I was too young to notice something like what measures were taken for the interests of security... But if you think going from not showing your passport (which is what you seem to be implying) is some kind of huge step up in terms of protection, you are deluding yourself. I must be understanding you wrong. No way America is stupid enough not to even have its people have passports. Obviously I have no idea about the security measures in America. I'd have figured them to be somewhat similar to my own country, but I guess I was wrong. Ok, lets take this a step at a time. Metal detectors? Baggage checks? (Not actually opening your baggage, but passing it through a camera) In Mexico's case, yeah its true. But I think if you were living in a country where 20% of income earners on 55% of the income, you'd probably not be too happy. Unless of course you were part of the 20%. Canadians have a better standard of life. I don't think you can argue against that one, can you? You are right. I can't defend that. I agree. But you are missing the fundamental part of the picture. Immigrants aren't necessarily in the majority in a particular country because of bad conditions. Thats why people leave a country. Geographically, it makes sense for America to get mostly Mexicans, or indeed Canadians if that happens at all. Why should the minimum wage be dropped down because people of other countries come in? I hear this argument come in by a lot of people that the minimum wage goes down for nationals at the same time. I think "What a moron. Its illegal, so do something about it, not just whine." Yes I know what you are saying. But, yes there is a but. America helping other nations out, means other nations are willing in turn to help America out when the time comes. Hurricane Katrina? And, Bush wants to try to some degree to be able to have good foreign relations so he can argue for his militaristic conquests. I'm not entirely set on stone in terms of who is and isn't capable of rehabilitation, but i'd say its not as clear cut as to say "Person who did this/that" it should be more case-by-case. The right to due process I thought was held sacrosanct in America. If you look at the views you express as things you hope to have in practice, I gotta tell you that this would be shot down until the time that public opinion changes dramatically. 160 years? If you did something to get 160 years in prison, its probably something pretty damn serious. Like Ted Bundy style. If rehabilitation was going to be a lost cause, and death penalty was to be used in the most necessary cases, I think anything above 2 years is a joke. I understand your point, and its a good one. I am on the fence on this issue, because there are a lot of issues at hand, and I don't know enough on them all. I'd be looking at the wasted billions on militaristic ventures. I can't believe how much you changed.
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Post by morty14 on Jun 10, 2006 12:31:37 GMT -5
I disagree. By its very definition, what you explained screams "Police State." Now, to read on in your post. (Something tells me that I will not be able to even read one sentence of this without saying, "WTF?" But i'll try.) How is not letting millions of people break an easily enforcable law making something a "police state"? Our citizens are actually gaining rights by this, because the people who are good, law-abiding citizens don't have to support foreigners who break our laws, suck on our social services, take our jobs and try to destroy our culture. I see this as a major win for the people. Clearly not thorough enough. May I remind you of September the 11th? Again, not all that lengthy for tourists. But you must understand the sentiment. I mean, so we stop illegal immigration and those who do immigrate are very thoroughly checked out. But now we defeat the purpose of that by allowing people to either a) stay in the country illegally after claiming to be tourists or, worse yet, b) commit acts of terrorism against our people. If we just let anyone be a tourist, then why wouldn't would-be illegals (or terrorists) just claim they are going into the USA on vacation and never leave? It would be silly to do one without the other. Granted, I don't know exactly how the system works now, but I'm betting (based on the rest of this government's proceedure) It has plenty of room for improvement. Oh, you have to show your passport to get in. But what I'm proposing is checking individual persons and passports a bit more thoroughly than currently. Nothing major like going from no passports needed to massive checks. More like from a few safety measures, to some safety measures. Ten minutes extra per person, tops. Where do you live? Certainly. All that sounds reasonable. We should also ensure they aren't buying the tools and materials to make weapons right here in the USA though. And therefore the "shadowing" of sorts. Better to have 1% of America's income than 10% of Mexico's. Eh? A lower class American is often better off than a middle class Mexican. No way to agrue against that. Canada roxxor America's soxxor. Thank you. I didn't quite understand what you are saying there... sorry. Illegally? Yes it does. But as I said before, we have thousands waiting in line legally to get into our nation, often from much worse situations than Mexicans have ever dreamt of. Why should illegals be able to become citizens before people from worse situations and who are waiting legally for their chance? It makes no sense; and is frankly an injustice to those who have waited to legally enter. [quoute]Why should the minimum wage be dropped down because people of other countries come in? I hear this argument come in by a lot of people that the minimum wage goes down for nationals at the same time.[/quote] ... I wasn't proposing dropping the minimum wage to accomidate illegals... I was saying companies here often pay illegals much less than minimum wage cause they can. That is wrong, and also illegal. So, we should be putting an end to that. I'm proposing to do something about it. Read my first post where I talk about sending federal agents around to companies to check for illegals. Absolutely. We should first be getting ourselves out of other nations' business. And, maybe I just didn't hear about it, but tell me what countries send real aid to America to help with Katrina. I'm not saying a few volunteer workers, which is great and all, but if that happened in say, France for example, you know darn well we'd be over there in an instant providing massive aid. And Sept. 11th, again, maybe I didn't hear about it, but what countries sent real aid to help us through that crisis? If that happened anywhere else, the USA would probably be rebuilding for them. And then, probably kicking some terrorist afterwards. Oh I'm absolutely in agreement there. I was just giving an example. I'm sorry, I must have misspoken. I am in no way, shape, or form, agruing against due process. Nor I am trying to get rid of the current trial and appeals system. That would be absolutely absurd. What I AM agruing for, is once a decision is made and all appeals are done, the decision should be carried out, like ASAP. My apologies for the confusion. You'd be surprised how fast stuff can add up when given multiple charges. Jeffrey Skilling (the guy from the Enron scandal) got something like 185 years. Yes, it was very serious. And now that he has cost millions of people millions (or even billions) of dollars, he will probably now serve enough time to cost us thousands or maybe even millions more dollars. It really, really sucks. My sentiment exactly. But most people on death row reach, what they call in Alabama, the "$1 million club." This is the one where you personally have cost the government at least one million dollars to keep you in prison. Ah the American way, so wasteful, so retarded. Many people agrue free trade is good, but it will only take growing up in the state with the worst economy and highest unemployment rate due to outsourcing and foreign competition to get you to realize how much it sucks. You are absolutely right, we need to cut back on military spending dramatically. We are in an arms race with ourselves. I haven't changed that much; the way you see me has changed. I looked pretty damn left, and I am on most issues. But as I said, and you didn't believe me, I can sound pretty right-wing sometimes. Ya understand what I'm sayin'?
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Post by Gold_skywalker on Jun 10, 2006 16:51:31 GMT -5
I am Right-wing man, Duh-Nuh-Duh-Nuh-duh, vote for me! Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.15 Just for the sake of discussion... Take a look at my post in response to Morty and see in what ways you disagree with my points. I'd be interested to have a discussion on anything political here in this, or any other thread, or indeed religion in some other thread. Basically, just about anything along the lines of a debate You want a Right-wing Activist to try to discuss with reason? That's as ridiculous as saying Kerry doesn't make FLIP-FLOPS.
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Post by pilaf on Jun 10, 2006 18:40:15 GMT -5
Where am I on the political compass? I'm lost! Real men don't use compasses...or fast travel. I guess I'm a centrist liberal or something. I won't explain unless pressed of course.
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Post by morty14 on Jun 10, 2006 19:08:17 GMT -5
Where am I on the political compass? I'm lost! Real men don't use compasses...or fast travel. I guess I'm a centrist liberal or something. I won't explain unless pressed of course. *Presses pilaf* Spill.
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